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Rand Paul: Blame dick Cheney not Obama for Iraq violence"
Posted on 6/23/14 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 6/23/14 at 5:12 pm
"I don't blame President Obama," Paul told NBC News. "Has he really got the solution? Maybe there is no solution"
Paul said those who have questioned the president's approach to the recent surge in violence should ask the same questions of those who supported the 2003 invasion of Iraq: "Were they right in their predictions? Were there weapons of mass destruction there? Was the war won in 2005, when many of those people said it was won?"
"I don't blame President Obama," Paul told NBC News. "Has he really got the solution? Maybe there is no solution."
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Paul said those who have questioned the president's approach to the recent surge in violence should ask the same questions of those who supported the 2003 invasion of Iraq: "Were they right in their predictions? Were there weapons of mass destruction there? Was the war won in 2005, when many of those people said it was won?"
"I don't blame President Obama," Paul told NBC News. "Has he really got the solution? Maybe there is no solution."
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Posted on 6/23/14 at 5:14 pm to RedRifle
quote:Really not an unreasonable assessment.
Paul said those who have questioned the president's approach to the recent surge in violence should ask the same questions of those who supported the 2003 invasion of Iraq: "Were they right in their predictions? Were there weapons of mass destruction there? Was the war won in 2005, when many of those people said it was won?"
"I don't blame President Obama," Paul told NBC News. "Has he really got the solution? Maybe there is no solution."
Posted on 6/23/14 at 5:15 pm to RedRifle
quote:Could you please cite that particular quote, because the OP passage doesn't even sniff it.
Blame dick Cheney not Obama for Iraq violence"
Posted on 6/23/14 at 5:16 pm to RedRifle
I'm really trying not to get excited abour Rand because I know all politicians eventually sell out, but man I like what he's saying right now.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 5:16 pm to RedRifle
Pretty spot on and this
is 100% right. There is no benefit to the U.S. jumping into a religous sectarian civil war (been there done that) for a shitburger Maliki coalition government.
frick 'em
quote:
Maybe there is no solution."
is 100% right. There is no benefit to the U.S. jumping into a religous sectarian civil war (been there done that) for a shitburger Maliki coalition government.
frick 'em
Posted on 6/23/14 at 5:19 pm to RedRifle
quote:
"Were they right in their predictions? Were there weapons of mass destruction there?
Yes. That's where both Assad and ISIS got their chemical weapons.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 5:21 pm to jamboybarry
quote:
Maybe there is no solution."
I would like to point out that Americans seem completely loathe to this concept in virtually every area of life. The whole "at least we did something" mentality.
We really need to divest ourselves of the idiotic notion that every problem has some sort of government solution. Some problems are only made worse by attempts to fix them.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 5:27 pm to ShortyRob
I mean, Obama has been a frick up, but he's right in that Dick Cheney was the primary cause of this. I think he's the only one who really still says that it was a good idea to go to Iraq, and that's because he made a shite ton of money at the expense of tens of thousands of lives. I think Obama mostly means well, as did Bush, but there is something downright malicious and evil about Cheney.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 5:29 pm to RedRifle
One thing you have to give Rand credit for is that he's just as willing to trash Republican icons like Dick Cheney, as he's willing to trash Democratic icons like Bill Clinton. He's also as willing to ally himself with Democrats who agree with him on an issue as he's willing to ally himself with Republicans.
He's a real conundrum for the G.O.P. He's the only Republican presidential contender making inroads with minorities, he has his hand on the pulse of the American people when it comes to foreign policy, he appeals to young people as evidenced by him bringing the house down at Berkeley, and yet the G.O.P. establishment still hates him. What gives?
He's a real conundrum for the G.O.P. He's the only Republican presidential contender making inroads with minorities, he has his hand on the pulse of the American people when it comes to foreign policy, he appeals to young people as evidenced by him bringing the house down at Berkeley, and yet the G.O.P. establishment still hates him. What gives?
Posted on 6/23/14 at 5:30 pm to OMLandshark
quote:Yep
but he's right in that Dick Cheney was the primary cause of this
quote:Meh. I think he's a true believer. I mean, in my younger days, I thought the U.S. could and should help fix the world. But, unlike Cheney, I'm not immune to experience and information. Also, I really view Iraq as two separate decisions, one worse than the other.
I think he's the only one who really still says that it was a good idea to go to Iraq, and that's because he made a shite ton of money at the expense of tens of thousands of lives
Invade and get rid of Saddam? Decision 1. Bad in my view, but not catastrophic.
Try and build some sort of damned democracy for ELEVEN frickING YEARS!!! Decision 2. Just plain ignorant.
In my view, even if you really believed in those goals at the outset, failure to at least CONSIDER re-evaluating now is just plain stubborn.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 5:32 pm to trackfan
quote:That seems to be because he is driven first and foremost by his belief system, not team politics. Thus making him almost as rare as a damned 3 rattled snake.
One thing you have to give Rand credit for is that he's just as willing to trash Republican icons like Dick Cheney, as he's willing to trash Democratic icons like Bill Clinton. He's also as willing to ally himself with Democrats who agree with him on an issue as he's willing to ally himself with Republicans.
quote:He's a conundrum for both parties really. If he were to be nominated, the Dems absolutely WILL have to go after him as an all in right wing nutjob and then the fricker is going to be for shite they are wholly on board with. Conundrum.
He's a real conundrum for the G.O.P.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 5:34 pm to RedRifle
:kige:
Don't think Obama gets much blame for this one. The Mid East has been grounds for chaos for a loooong time.
Don't think Obama gets much blame for this one. The Mid East has been grounds for chaos for a loooong time.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 5:36 pm to ShortyRob
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the Dems absolutely WILL have to go after him
Oh, they will. Even those who agree with him now (because he's not bashing Obama) will claim he's a kook in short time.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 5:37 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
He's a conundrum for both parties really. If he were to be nominated, the Dems absolutely WILL have to go after him as an all in right wing nutjob and then the fricker is going to be for shite they are wholly on board with. Conundrum.
If Hillary wins the nomination, he'll be to the left of her on several major issues, which will cause some Democrats to do some soul searching, but not me.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 5:38 pm to trackfan
quote:I honestly view anyone who would vote for Hillary over Paul with a great deal of humor.
If Hillary wins the nomination, he'll be to the left of her on several major issues, which will cause some Democrats to do some soul searching, but not me.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 5:39 pm to trackfan
quote:
If Hillary wins the nomination, he'll be to the left of her on several major issues, which will cause some Democrats to do some soul searching, but not me.
uh huhPosted on 6/23/14 at 5:41 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
I honestly view anyone who would vote for Hillary over Paul with a great deal of humor.
She'll have a lot of appeal to the far left regardless of policy because she's female.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 5:44 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
I honestly view anyone who would vote for Hillary over Paul with a great deal of humor.
The other folks that will do a lot of soul searching are neocons and other Republican warmongers, who prefer Hillary's foreign policy views to Paul's. I'll bet John McCain and Bill Kristol endorse Hillary if Paul is the Republican nominee.
This post was edited on 6/23/14 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 6/23/14 at 5:46 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
He's a conundrum for both parties really. If he were to be nominated, the Dems absolutely WILL have to go after him as an all in right wing nutjob and then the fricker is going to be for shite they are wholly on board with. Conundrum.
Rand is the type of guy that will expose people as team politics hacks.
If rand gets nominated as he is right now, he's going to be impossible for democrats to stop
Posted on 6/23/14 at 5:47 pm to RedRifle
Political jockeying.
We can take a break if we so choose. But Islamist won't. They will take control over the oil and the nukes in THEIR lands/governments, and they will challenge Israel, and they will set their sights on the 'great satan' as soon as able.
It's Islam that is to blame for the violence; and they'll be to blame for a helluva lot more.
We can take a break if we so choose. But Islamist won't. They will take control over the oil and the nukes in THEIR lands/governments, and they will challenge Israel, and they will set their sights on the 'great satan' as soon as able.
It's Islam that is to blame for the violence; and they'll be to blame for a helluva lot more.
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