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What would it take to repeal Title IX?
Posted on 6/13/14 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 6/13/14 at 10:58 pm
Back in high school sociology I wrote an essay on how Title IX violates free market principles. The gist of my argument was since there's a greater demand for men's sports, schools should be free to supply accordingly.
Watching the pro hockey game tonight has me thinking about the less-mainstream sports LSU and other programs could have if it weren't for this hampering law.
Watching the pro hockey game tonight has me thinking about the less-mainstream sports LSU and other programs could have if it weren't for this hampering law.
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 11:00 pm to TigersforEver
A majority of Congress in both houses...
Posted on 6/13/14 at 11:03 pm to TigersforEver
An act of Gaea.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 11:04 pm to TigersforEver
Question- how did this ever even pass in the first place
Posted on 6/13/14 at 11:10 pm to jimbeam
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Question- how did this ever even pass in the first place
I'd imagine people it sounded good without considering the consequences.
Posted on 6/14/14 at 1:01 am to TigersforEver
The actual wording of the law is pretty benign.
It's the perverted interpretation of the law that's the problem.
It's the perverted interpretation of the law that's the problem.
Posted on 6/14/14 at 2:57 am to MMauler
Yep. As the op mentions the interpretation assumes there are equal number of men and women wanting to participate in sports. That just isn't true.
Posted on 6/14/14 at 3:41 am to TigersforEver
You act like college sports actually matters.
Posted on 6/14/14 at 4:12 am to Tigah in the ATL
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Posted by Tigah in the ATL You act like college sports actually matters.
Scholarships. So yes it matters to those not born with a silver spoon.
Posted on 6/14/14 at 5:01 am to TigersforEver
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I'd imagine people it sounded good without considering the consequences.
People do this all the time.
They judge an idea by its intentions and never its actual results. Liberal/Progressives and Social Conservatives are extremely guilty of this.
Posted on 6/14/14 at 7:25 am to TigersforEver
The intent to roughly equal men's and women's scholarship numbers as to give each sex an equal opportunity to an education doesn't seem so bad.
However, somehow that idea evolved into women's coaches in sports that lose millions if dollars hiring coaches that make 6 or 700 thousand dollars a year and assistants making 90-100 thousand a year.
The good intention was taken over by those in athletics to put all the coaches and a whole lot of admins on a gravy train resulting in huge financial implications for schools.
Instead of just an equal opportunity(a college education for women students) it became a huge business and a huge drain on college athletic dept. Now coaches get paid a ton , they have a bunch of assts and they have to travel the country too.
Title IX grew into the monster we see today.
However, somehow that idea evolved into women's coaches in sports that lose millions if dollars hiring coaches that make 6 or 700 thousand dollars a year and assistants making 90-100 thousand a year.
The good intention was taken over by those in athletics to put all the coaches and a whole lot of admins on a gravy train resulting in huge financial implications for schools.
Instead of just an equal opportunity(a college education for women students) it became a huge business and a huge drain on college athletic dept. Now coaches get paid a ton , they have a bunch of assts and they have to travel the country too.
Title IX grew into the monster we see today.
This post was edited on 6/14/14 at 7:29 am
Posted on 6/14/14 at 8:08 am to doubleb
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The good intention was taken over by those in athletics to put all the coaches and a whole lot of admins on a gravy train resulting in huge financial implications for schools.
Instead of just an equal opportunity(a college education for women students) it became a huge business and a huge drain on college athletic dept.
It wasn't really the schools or athletic departments. It was women's program coaches, government bureaucrats, and federal judges that perverted the language of the statute.
They had a case a few years back where a wealthy alum of a high school wanted to donate $1 million to the school to put in a state of the art video board on the school's football field. The school couldn't accept the donation because they were told that they would then be required to spend $1 million on the girl's sports program. That's just f*cking insane.
Posted on 6/14/14 at 8:12 am to TigersforEver
Ads on jerseys?
Posted on 6/14/14 at 8:16 am to TigersforEver
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What would it take to repeal Title IX?
Back in high school sociology I wrote an essay on how Title IX violates free market principles.
Title IX applies only to educational institutions receiving government funding. The whole idea of free market principles was already out the window before Title IX became law.
It shouldn't be repealed--it's much broader than sports. It was originally aimed at universities that denied women academic scholarships, access to certain classes, or denied them admission altogether.
But we do need to reform the way it applies to sports. One way would be to modify it so net spending is a means of compliance. That way, if your football and MBB programs turn a profit, they effectively count as a negative number of men's sports. It takes into account the popularity of the program and the benefits the program provides for the institution.
If you have a who-cares men's sport that draws 20 fans a game, that's where Title IX should apply.
Posted on 6/14/14 at 8:36 am to Bestbank Tiger
Give women roughly an equal amount of scholarships, field first class teams based on interest from Fans and TV and that should suffice.
Paying coaches 100s if thousand dollars to coach a sport that doesn't draw fans is ridiculous.
Paying coaches 100s if thousand dollars to coach a sport that doesn't draw fans is ridiculous.
how is this fair, 2 to 1 for female bathrooms? 
Posted on 6/14/14 at 10:28 am to jimbeam
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Question- how did this ever even pass in the first place
Like all stupid social policies. It sounded reasonable at the time. People don't consider consequences.
Posted on 6/14/14 at 10:32 am to TigersforEver
There is a simple fix for Title IX - simple, elegant and would absolutely take out 90% of the bad associated with Title IX:
Exempt American football from the calculations.
Exempt American football from the calculations.
Posted on 6/14/14 at 11:43 am to MMauler
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The actual wording of the law is pretty benign.
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No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving federal financial assistance.
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It's the perverted interpretation of the law that's the problem
Short sighted conservatives never envisioned the possibility that female enrollment would exceed male enrollement when they crafted the rules. When the three prong test was put into place, everyone thought test one was a get out of jail free card.
1.Providing athletic participation opportunities that are substantially proportionate to the student enrollment. This prong of the test is satisfied when participation opportunities for men and women are "substantially proportionate" to their respective undergraduate enrollment.
2.Demonstrating a continual expansion of athletic opportunities for the underrepresented sex. This prong of the test is satisfied when an institution has a history and continuing practice of program expansion that is responsive to the developing interests and abilities of the underrepresented sex (typically female).
3.Accommodating the interest and ability of underrepresented sex. This prong of the test is satisfied when an institution is meeting the interests and abilities of its female students even where there are disproportionately fewer females than males participating in sports.
Posted on 6/14/14 at 1:43 pm to TigersforEver
Some thoughts on Title IX.
a. Feminists prefer the word 'womyn' because 'women' has the word 'men' in it. Title IX has the word 'tit'. Where is the outrage?
b. Title IX assumes that males and females have equal interest in participating in sports. The only problem is opportunity. This is false. When given every opportunity far fewer women choose to play collegiate sports.
c. Colleges wanted to declare Cheerleading a team sport to balance their numbers. Cheerleading is competitive. They go to tournaments. There are winners and losers. It takes a lot of athletic ability. If cheerleading is not a sport then bowling is not a sport and there are college bowling teams.
Feminists shot down the idea. Why? Do they hate women? They hate the kind of women that cheerleaders represent....attractive heterosexuals.
a. Feminists prefer the word 'womyn' because 'women' has the word 'men' in it. Title IX has the word 'tit'. Where is the outrage?
b. Title IX assumes that males and females have equal interest in participating in sports. The only problem is opportunity. This is false. When given every opportunity far fewer women choose to play collegiate sports.
c. Colleges wanted to declare Cheerleading a team sport to balance their numbers. Cheerleading is competitive. They go to tournaments. There are winners and losers. It takes a lot of athletic ability. If cheerleading is not a sport then bowling is not a sport and there are college bowling teams.
Feminists shot down the idea. Why? Do they hate women? They hate the kind of women that cheerleaders represent....attractive heterosexuals.
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