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Tesla: All our patents are belong to you

Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:02 pm
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45184 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:02 pm
A company with balls.

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Yesterday, there was a wall of Tesla patents in the lobby of our Palo Alto headquarters. That is no longer the case. They have been removed, in the spirit of the open source movement, for the advancement of electric vehicle technology.

Tesla Motors was created to accelerate the advent of sustainable transport. If we clear a path to the creation of compelling electric vehicles, but then lay intellectual property landmines behind us to inhibit others, we are acting in a manner contrary to that goal. Tesla will not initiate patent lawsuits against anyone who, in good faith, wants to use our technology.

When I started out with my first company, Zip2, I thought patents were a good thing and worked hard to obtain them. And maybe they were good long ago, but too often these days they serve merely to stifle progress, entrench the positions of giant corporations and enrich those in the legal profession, rather than the actual inventors. After Zip2, when I realized that receiving a patent really just meant that you bought a lottery ticket to a lawsuit, I avoided them whenever possible.

At Tesla, however, we felt compelled to create patents out of concern that the big car companies would copy our technology and then use their massive manufacturing, sales and marketing power to overwhelm Tesla. We couldn’t have been more wrong. The unfortunate reality is the opposite: electric car programs (or programs for any vehicle that doesn’t burn hydrocarbons) at the major manufacturers are small to non-existent, constituting an average of far less than 1% of their total vehicle sales.

At best, the large automakers are producing electric cars with limited range in limited volume. Some produce no zero emission cars at all.

Given that annual new vehicle production is approaching 100 million per year and the global fleet is approximately 2 billion cars, it is impossible for Tesla to build electric cars fast enough to address the carbon crisis. By the same token, it means the market is enormous. Our true competition is not the small trickle of non-Tesla electric cars being produced, but rather the enormous flood of gasoline cars pouring out of the world’s factories every day.

We believe that Tesla, other companies making electric cars, and the world would all benefit from a common, rapidly-evolving technology platform.

Technology leadership is not defined by patents, which history has repeatedly shown to be small protection indeed against a determined competitor, but rather by the ability of a company to attract and motivate the world’s most talented engineers. We believe that applying the open source philosophy to our patents will strengthen rather than diminish Tesla’s position in this regard.


Death to IP
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:15 pm to
Maybe the most interesting, unique person on the planet.
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:22 pm to
Prepare for the Tesla hate.
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
9077 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:25 pm to
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Death to IP


Man, I just cannot get on board w/ this but, I'm willing to listen to more arguments for it. I've heard Jeffery Tucker and a few others talk about it, but they still haven't convinced me that thoughts you create are not your property to be used/protected as you see fit.
This post was edited on 6/12/14 at 10:27 pm
Posted by HubbaBubba
F_uck Joe Biden, TX
Member since Oct 2010
45683 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:31 pm to
I would likely be pissed if I was an invester in Tesla. I mean, why give it away? License the frick out of the technology, THEN encourage innovation.
This post was edited on 6/12/14 at 10:32 pm
Posted by Gmorgan4982
Member since May 2005
101750 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:35 pm to
Stephen Kinsella, Against Intellectual Property

I read this years ago when I was bored at work one day.
This post was edited on 6/12/14 at 10:36 pm
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57012 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:36 pm to
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I would likely be pissed if I was an invester in Tesla. I mean, why give it away?
Most patents aren't worth very much to begin with. PR move. The OP, took the bait as designed, and gave ol' Elan some free advertising in the process.
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
9077 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:37 pm to
I just saw that they are publicly traded. I'd be REALLY pissed.

I do agree that innovation would happen faster, but to have no say in how an idea you created, your property, is used or protected is a hurdle I cannot get over.
Posted by OrangeBlood
Austin
Member since Sep 2005
800 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:38 pm to
quote:

I would likely be pissed if I was an invester in Tesla. I mean, why give it away? License the frick out of the technology, THEN encourage innovation.



As a patent attorney, this is the better answer IMO - for honest companies that want to legally use Tesla's IP, license it to them, even below market value. Better than just let anyone infringe, which acts to devalue the worth of the company. US companies' value are increasingly tied to intangible assets such as patents - amazingly so in fact. By devaluing that asset, Tesla could be hurting themselves in attracting future investors.
Posted by Gmorgan4982
Member since May 2005
101750 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:38 pm to
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The OP, took the bait as designed
I'm pretty sure josh wasn't pro-IP before hearing about what Tesla did.
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
9077 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:39 pm to
Thanks for the link, Gmorgan.
Posted by Diddles
LA
Member since Apr 2013
6981 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:48 pm to
China made American owned
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57012 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:52 pm to
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I'm pretty sure josh wasn't pro-IP before hearing about what Tesla did.
Not what I meant.

I'd reckon the advertising value they will get from this post is worth more than the patents they "open sourced".

I'm guessing Josh didn't see posting this as doing work for "the man". But maybe he did?
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
35629 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:03 pm to
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Most patents aren't worth very much to begin with. PR move.
This.

Plus the fact that this guy knows that Big Oil isn't going to step aside and allow the electric car or anything like it to kill the golden calf.
In other words, he really has no worry of competition for the foreseeable future.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:08 pm to
Clown.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98286 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:11 pm to
That is worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
31407 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:47 pm to
i own stock in his company, and i started writing about this "theory" of IP under a brilliant Tulane Law prof whose father helped design the first space shuttle.

The "stealing"-obsessed masses who hold no concept of the purposes of IP will never learn.
Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
18643 posts
Posted on 6/13/14 at 12:48 am to
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This post was edited on 4/20/21 at 8:53 am
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
9077 posts
Posted on 6/13/14 at 1:09 am to
Interesting angle.

Do you think if Coca-Cola gave out their recipe early on that they would be the massive company they are today?

Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
35280 posts
Posted on 6/13/14 at 1:19 am to
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Maybe the most interesting, unique person on the planet.



Goodbye Jobs, hello Musk.
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