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The Right Didn’t Mind When Bush Paid a Ransom to Terrorists

Posted on 6/11/14 at 10:55 pm
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 10:55 pm
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Republicans are howling (with no proof) that Obama paid a ransom for Bowe Bergdahl’s freedom. Funny. They weren’t howling when Bush actually did it.


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We turn now to the Philippines, where the Abu Sayyaf terror network—Islamic fundamentalist, al Qaeda-linked, occupant of a slot on the State Department’s official terrorist-organization list since Bill Clinton put it there in 1997—was rampaging around the southern archipelago and taking Westerners hostage. Two such hostages were an American husband-and-wife missionary team, Martin and Gracia Burnham. They were kidnapped in May 2001. Their captivity was a pretty big story for a while, but then came September, and the inferno of Lower Manhattan.


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The Abu Sayyaf M.O. was the normal one—to demand large (or oddly not so large; the original demand for the Burnhams’ safety was $1 million) sums of money for their captives’ safe return. There were talks, and they bled into 2002. In April of that year, Bush gave a speech that included the line: “No nation can negotiate with terrorists, for there is no way to make peace with those whose only goal is death.”

A nice line. But of course, at that exact moment, the United States was negotiating intently with Abu Sayyaf for the Burnhams’ release. And not only that: The Bush administration arranged an indirect payment to Abu Sayyaf of $300,000, as reported a little later by ABC’s John McWethy, the veteran Pentagon correspondent, and even by Fox’s Brent Baier, whose phrasing had it that “the U.S. government facilitated a ransom payment to al Qaeda-linked terrorists.”


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Oh. I forgot one detail. We “facilitated” the ransom, but even then we still failed: Poor Martin Burnham was killed in a skirmish when the Philippine army stormed the compound to rescue the couple. Gracia lived, and lives on now. But just imagine that Obama had “facilitated” a ransom to Haqqani, and yet Bergdahl had been killed during a rescue mission. I don’t think I need to complete that thought.


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Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 10:58 pm to
Obama and Bush are more similar than different?!? No way!!!!!
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 10:58 pm to
Blaming Bush ain't cutting it anymore. Barack's reign is falling to pieces everywhere.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33264 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 11:03 pm to
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Blaming Bush ain't cutting it anymore. Barack's reign is falling to pieces everywhere.


Nobody is blaming Bush. Are your reading and logic skills so poor that that's what you took away from the article?
This post was edited on 6/11/14 at 11:10 pm
Posted by Tactical1
Denham Springs
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 11:04 pm to
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Blaming Bush ain't cutting it anymore.
Posted by Rohan2Reed
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 11:27 pm to
How anyone can read The Daily Beast is beyond me. Complete hack jobs across the board.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 11:32 pm to
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We turn now to the Philippines, where the Abu Sayyaf terror network—Islamic fundamentalist, al Qaeda-linked, occupant of a slot on the State Department’s official terrorist-organization list since Bill Clinton put it there in 1997—
Something the Taliban isn't. I loved it when one of the congressmen tried to tell Hagel that it was and then sheepishly had to say "Pakistani Taliban".
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 11:32 pm to
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How anyone can read The Daily Beast is beyond me. Complete hack jobs across the board.


Which specific parts of his overall point do you disagree with?
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 11:36 pm to
Both were terrible mistakes. What more do you want? Why does the fact that Bush did it somehow make Obama's decision less worse?
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69215 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 11:37 pm to
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The Right Didn’t Mind
Nice broad stroke, too!
Posted by Rohan2Reed
Member since Nov 2003
75674 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 11:37 pm to
I'm not arguing against the case that it's a factual report, I'm merely remarking upon the complete blind partisan agenda that permeates the site.

here's a piece of shite from this week that not so subtly suggest Republicans endorse right-wing domestic terrorism. LINK

if you think the Daily Beast is a good journalistic source then go right ahead and ingest their sewage. Just don't blame others if you wake up one day with a rotting hole in your brain.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33264 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 11:38 pm to
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Both were terrible mistakes. What more do you want? Why does the fact that Bush did it somehow make Obama's decision less worse?


It doesn't. Just pointing out the flagrant, rank, disgusting hypocrisy involved with the right and all things Obama.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33264 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 11:39 pm to
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I'm not arguing against the case that it's a factual report, I'm merely remarking upon the complete blind partisan agenda that permeates the site.


I've seen them print opinions from all sides - and it IS an opinion site.

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if you think the Daily Beast is a good journalistic source then go right ahead and ingest their sewage. Just don't blame others if you wake up one day with a rotting hole in your brain.


Again, which of the facts are you disputing? If none, then why isn't it as good a source as any you will propose?
Posted by Rohan2Reed
Member since Nov 2003
75674 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 11:41 pm to
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Both were terrible mistakes. What more do you want? Why does the fact that Bush did it somehow make Obama's decision less worse?


It doesn't. It's a bullshite tu quoque argument.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69215 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 11:42 pm to
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Just pointing out the flagrant, rank, disgusting hypocrisy involved with the right and all things Obama.

Actually, criticism of the deal is coming from all sides. But keep on claiming that all criticism of Obama is "hypocrisy". How do you breathe with the President's member stuffed down your throat?
This post was edited on 6/11/14 at 11:43 pm
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 11:42 pm to
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The Right Didn’t Mind When Bush Paid a Ransom to Terrorists
That's some defense of Obama you got right there.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35351 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 11:44 pm to
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Both were terrible mistakes. What more do you want? Why does the fact that Bush did it somehow make Obama's decision less worse?
I believe the OP just wants the argument from the right that "we don't negotiate with terrorists" as some sort of Obama issue to be answered. Attack the Bergdahl swap on other grounds.

Further, the Taliban in Afghanistan were simply the ruling party when we invaded, NOT a recognized terrorist organization. They still aren't.
This post was edited on 6/11/14 at 11:45 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69215 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 11:44 pm to
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That's some defense of Obama you got right there.

It really is comical. Bush is the worst person ever to most leftists, yet here they are defending Obama by saying that Bush did the same thing. What a wreck this administration is.
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