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Insurgents seize Iraqi city of Mosul as troops flee
Posted on 6/10/14 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 6/10/14 at 12:06 pm
Wash Po
BBC
People fleeing the city:
BBC
quote:
Iraq's prime minister has asked parliament to declare a state of emergency after Islamist militants effectively took control of Mosul.
Nouri Maliki acknowledged "vital areas" of the country's second largest city had been seized.
Overnight, hundreds of armed men seized local government's offices and police stations before taking control of the airport and the army's headquarters.
About 150,000 people are believed to have fled the city.
Sources have told BBC Arabic that they are heading to three towns in the nearby region of Kurdistan where authorities have set up temporary camps for them.
quote:
Mosul, however, is a far more important city, the capital of northern Iraq and a key commercial and trading center. It had also been an important focus of the U.S. military’s effort to stabilize Iraq.
The capture of the airport, which had served as a major hub for the U.S. military, could not be independently confirmed, but Nujaifi said it had been seized and that all of the aircraft there also were captured.
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It also raises questions about the continued utility of sending U.S. military support to Maliki, whose security forces seem simply to have crumbled. Maliki is urging the United States to deliver more advanced weaponry, but ISIS fighters have already been seen riding round in U.S.-supplied Humvees in other areas they control, and much of the weaponry captured in this latest battle is likely to be American, Lister said.
“Washington will be questioning how to move forward in terms of supporting the Iraqi army in its fight against terrorism,” he said. “Every time ISIS captures territory, it’s a reminder that it does so using weapons that have fallen into the hands of the forces the U.S. is trying to counter in the first place.”
People fleeing the city:
Posted on 6/10/14 at 12:07 pm to carbola
Tweet #freeMosul and everything will be fine. Thanks
Posted on 6/10/14 at 12:08 pm to carbola
Game of Thrones comparison in there somewhere.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 12:08 pm to carbola
I'm sure glad we left the Iraqi military in good shape to handle things.
At least there won't be any crying or gnashing of teeth about "rules of engagement" and "collateral damage" - hopefully they just go back in there and kick arse/take names.
At least there won't be any crying or gnashing of teeth about "rules of engagement" and "collateral damage" - hopefully they just go back in there and kick arse/take names.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 12:10 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
hopefully they just go back in there and kick arse/take names.
The way it should be. War is hell.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 12:10 pm to carbola
The middle east is such a fricking shitshow. I can't wait till they run out of oil and we can go back to not giving a frick about them.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 12:14 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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The middle east is such a fricking shitshow. I can't wait till they run out of oil and we can go back to not giving a frick about them.
True story - the Egyptian who ran the NTV rental/service center on COB Speicher (near Tikrit) was driving me back to my quarters while my Sierra was being serviced - just about 5 years ago this month - I remember saying to him, "Just think - in a year or so, all this will be turned back over to the Iraqis."
His response, "It's going to be a mess." - while shaking his head.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 12:15 pm to carbola
I cannot stress what a big deal this is. Mosul was so safe that people went there on vacation to visit Iraq. They had self rule and working democracy there. The Kurds had been the ones who had formed the Northern Alliance, and helped American forces drive out Saddam as they had also been the victems of genocide and gas attacks under his regime. This was a stable, vibrant, culturally important, and economically thriving city that has just fallen into the hands of insurgents. If there has ever been a red flag that there will never be a stable, unified, democratic Iraq, it's this. The Iraqi military must retake this city immediately or the entire country will fall apart.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 12:19 pm to kingbob
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kingbob
I am about 30 km from Mosul working right now. Mosul is not part of Kurdistan, and is within Iraq proper.
My Kurdish friends have said that ISIS does not want to attack the Kurds and actually turned away at the Mosul dam after seeing the Kurdish forces were on it. Now how true is that last sentence, I have no idea.
ETA: I do agree with most of your post though. But Mosul has been hit pretty hard by car bombings the last couple of months.
This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 6/10/14 at 12:20 pm to kingbob
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The Iraqi military must retake this city immediately or the entire country will fall apart.
I don't think it's gonna happen without our direct support. Not just money and weapons but actual military involvement in the form of air strikes and advisors.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 12:24 pm to carbola
quote:
People fleeing the city:
Is that a Red Line I see on the pavement...????
Posted on 6/10/14 at 12:25 pm to carbola
it wouldn't suprise me. The Kurds have been unified and well organized since before the U.S. invasion. It may or may not be true, but I could certainly believe it. The Iraqi government and military is a huge shite show, though. The police and military are rife with "insurgents" and "sympethizers". The people of the middle east have no concept of voicing political dissent through elections. Their elections are based on simple and parliamentary majorities instead of a more representative republic system. True democracy is chaos, where the 51% abuse and anhilate the 49%. The disenfranchized minorities, in this region, have been forming militias and insurgent groups, winning battles with guns that they can't win with votes. It's a real case study in "how not to build a country".
Posted on 6/10/14 at 12:34 pm to carbola
quote:A protest about a video no doubt.
after Islamist militants effectively took control of Mosul
Posted on 6/10/14 at 12:44 pm to NC_Tigah
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A protest about a video no doubt.
POTUS is going to see it on the news today or tomorrow, too.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 12:46 pm to NC_Tigah
There's your nation building. Iraq has been a frickup from day 1. At best, we can hope that the Sunni insurgents take control of the entire country so that Iraq can once again become a buffer to the Iranians. 4500 lives & 1.7 trillion later, we could be back at square 1.
This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 6/10/14 at 12:51 pm to Big12fan
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At best, we can hope that the Sunni insurgents take control of the entire country so that Iraq can once again become a buffer to the Iranians.
That can't happen, now. The Sh'ia will just go on a Sunni killing rampage - in turn, they'll pour into Syria and Jordan. The Sh'ia have just been waiting for an excuse since we pulled out - their militias are well-equipped by Iran.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 12:52 pm to kingbob
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I cannot stress what a big deal this is. Mosul was so safe that people went there on vacation to visit Iraq. They had self rule and working democracy there. The Kurds had been the ones who had formed the Northern Alliance, and helped American forces drive out Saddam as they had also been the victems of genocide and gas attacks under his regime. This was a stable, vibrant, culturally important, and economically thriving city that has just fallen into the hands of insurgents. If there has ever been a red flag that there will never be a stable, unified, democratic Iraq, it's this. The Iraqi military must retake this city immediately or the entire country will fall apart.
Let's not go overboard here. Mosul was the last major Iraqi city to be pacified following the Sahwa Awakening. We were still dropping JDAMS there well into 2009/2010.
Erbil and Sulayminiyah? Yea, I knew of a unit from 10th Mountain that would go there occasionally and walk around like they were on a FOB.
It is a big deal because it's the second-largest city in Iraq and the major economic, political, and cultural nexus of the northern Iraq/eastern Syria/northwestern Iran/southeastern Turkey region, but it's been a rathole pretty much non-stop since Petraeus' 101st Division left in late 2003.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 12:54 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:Or when Big Oil is not allowed to suppress new technology that would take us off our dependency on oil.
The middle east is such a fricking shitshow. I can't wait till they run out of oil and we can go back to not giving a frick about them.
But carry on...hate those browns...war..killing...and all that.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 12:55 pm to TX Tiger
I personally don't give a frick.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 12:58 pm to carbola
This shite will be happening in Afghanistan within 6 months of us pulling out.
Our nation-building bullshite may go down as one of the biggest blunders in modern history.
Our nation-building bullshite may go down as one of the biggest blunders in modern history.
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