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re: Stop beating up on Coach Paul Mainieri
Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:26 pm to LSURussian
Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:26 pm to LSURussian
Dittto
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Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:26 pm to mike4lsu
My daughter could've made better pitching decisions in the regional.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:29 pm to mike4lsu
OP doesn't have winning attitude. OP sounds like CPM
Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:30 pm to Broham
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My daughter could've made better pitching decisions in the regional.
I like PM, but that Sunday night game, I really thought he was about to have a heart attack, or at least break down crying, someone must have said something to him, he was a little more stoic Monday night. I think he needs a vacation.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:32 pm to mike4lsu
quote:well you would have a point if these bad nights were just random and didn't have anything to do with terrible in game management by the coach. Im pretty sure letting McCune stay in 3 batters too long had nothing to do with parity. Im pretty sure putting in a kid that shouldn't even be on the post season roster into a jam was bad game management and not parity. Unless you want to claim that because of parity we don't have a collection of the best players. Paul is the reason we are at home instead of on the way to omaha, not bad luck. Bad luck would have been losing a game 2-1 or such on a error. Not losing a clincher because our coach left someone in too long, and then in the next game decided we should rest all of our best arms for later in the game instead of using them first to get out of jams.
Besides the tournament is a double elimination. So you can have a perfect season and go on to host a super regional. Then have a couple of bad nights and its season ending.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:33 pm to mike4lsu
STFU
Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:34 pm to 777Tiger
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I like PM, but that Sunday night game, I really thought he was about to have a heart attack, or at least break down crying, someone must have said something to him, he was a little more stoic Monday night. I think he needs a vacation.
this, i agree, I don't want him gone, but he needs to clear his mind, do a little self reflection and come back fresh
Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:36 pm to T
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do you not think stuff like this happened 25-30 years ago?
MAINE used to go every year. WICHITA STATE used to be a national powerhouse.
I can remember Loyola Marymount, The Citadel, UNO, Georgia Southern and Indiana State all reaching the CWS in the 80s and early 90s.
It's actually harder for a Cinderella to make the CWS now. You have to just win one weekend under the old format. Now you have to win your Regional on the road and then go on the road a second weekend and beat another powerhouse twice (usually).
But go on. We should leave Paul Mainieri alone because he couldn't beat a team at home that can't hit with a 4 run lead and 6 outs to go.
(edit--statement not aimed at you. Aimed at the "PARITY!" people who don't know history)
This post was edited on 6/9/14 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:36 pm to Ignignot
yea he can't be fired and i don't want him gone yet but the paul knob polishers need a dose of reality. Paul makes terrible in game moves at times and this year it caused us to be bounced out of our own fricking regional.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:38 pm to mike4lsu
Parity? More like parody.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:44 pm to mike4lsu
I think the question here is this:
Has CPM received his fruit basket and thank you note from Augie Garrido yet?
Has CPM received his fruit basket and thank you note from Augie Garrido yet?
Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:44 pm to lsutigers1992
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MAINE used to go every year.
Not that I agree with the OP, but that was back during the time where regionals were exactly that. There was one in every section of the country with teams from that area.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:46 pm to mike4lsu
Some form of reality will set in at some point that he is an average to slightly above average coach. Save me the hall of fame argument please.
Louisville is going to the CWS for the 3rd time in 8 years, the same number of times as LSU over the same time period. Look at Vandy before Corbin, Virginia before O'Connor, etc... There are many examples...
LSU has built in advantages the schools mentioned above do not, TOPs, tradition, talent pool, athletic department support.
Paul is an average to slightly above average coach, I know that's not a popular thing to say, but it's an option based on a large sample size. Get used to him being questioned and in fact it will get worse before it gets better.
I want him to stay as the head coach here for no other reason than the fact I have ZERO confidence that the current AD is even remotely capable of making a reasonable hire in baseball.
Louisville is going to the CWS for the 3rd time in 8 years, the same number of times as LSU over the same time period. Look at Vandy before Corbin, Virginia before O'Connor, etc... There are many examples...
LSU has built in advantages the schools mentioned above do not, TOPs, tradition, talent pool, athletic department support.
Paul is an average to slightly above average coach, I know that's not a popular thing to say, but it's an option based on a large sample size. Get used to him being questioned and in fact it will get worse before it gets better.
I want him to stay as the head coach here for no other reason than the fact I have ZERO confidence that the current AD is even remotely capable of making a reasonable hire in baseball.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:47 pm to mike4lsu
I'm not a huge college baseball fan, but I agree with your post to some extent. However, while there certainly seems to be more parity in college baseball now than ever before, how many of those 296 D-1 programs place as much emphasis on baseball as LSU? Certainly LSU can't get to Omaha every year. But, as the manager of LSU you know that expectations far exceed 99% of all other college baseball programs simply based upon the fact that LSU fans/admin place more emphasis on winning than just about any other school. Facing criticism (sometime maybe undue) comes with the territory of being the LSU manager.
This doesn't help your argument. If anything, it makes the criticism of Manieri more valid. He was given a mulligan and still lost. I'm sure many high seeds who were upset in the NCAA basketball tournament would have LOVED a double elimination set-up. The baseball tournament gives you a chance to have a bad day, lose to a great pitcher, etc., and STILL advance through the tournament (ULL is doing just that)
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Besides the tournament is a double elimination. So you can have a perfect season and go on to host a super regional. Then have a couple of bad nights and its season ending.
This doesn't help your argument. If anything, it makes the criticism of Manieri more valid. He was given a mulligan and still lost. I'm sure many high seeds who were upset in the NCAA basketball tournament would have LOVED a double elimination set-up. The baseball tournament gives you a chance to have a bad day, lose to a great pitcher, etc., and STILL advance through the tournament (ULL is doing just that)
This post was edited on 6/9/14 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:49 pm to MLD8
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Not all baseball coaches are making the salary that our coach is making ? Parity ?
Nail, meet head.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:51 pm to MLD8
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Not all baseball coaches are making the salary that our coach is making ?
What exactly does this have to do with anything?
Does a high paid coach mean you should run the table in baseball?
Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:52 pm to 777Tiger
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I really thought he was about to have a heart attack, or at least break down crying
This was the icing on the cake for me. Not only did he make idiotic decisions, but his behavior in the dugout could only have a negative impact on the team. When the coach tucks his tail between his legs, the team is not far behind.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:53 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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Does a high paid coach mean you should run the table in baseball?
Do you really think people here expect LSU to run the table in baseball?
Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:54 pm to mike4lsu
I posted this in another thread late Friday night:
LSU baseball is - and will continue to be - the most highly respected and envied baseball program in America for years to come.
LSU baseball fans got a tad spoiled in the 90's. On top of us being über-talented and simply having significantly better players and more of them than everyone else, we also got a tad lucky with CWS and national title game success (it was really somewhat of a statistical anomaly LSUs ridiculous success rate in Omaha...we were certainly good/great, but no one is that good...we were good enough to put ourselves in position and then Lady Luck and the Baseball Gods took over and somehow we always seemed to get hot at PRECISELY the right time, typically in Omaha, and shockingly rolled off 5 titles). It goes without saying: we certainly took advantage of our inherent advantages and made the most of a "hot table" in the 90's, The game is different now with scholarship limitations and parity and shrinking talent gaps. Also, the bat changes have basically amplified all of those things I just mentioned.. So in a game where parity had already taken hold and begun to spread as the talent got distributed more evenly, they then implement a huge fundemental change to the game (the bats) which on its face by itself stand-alone would make games closer and more competitive to begin with. So it's a basically a tidal wave of changes that there's only one possible result: MORE PARITY.
So let's think about this… Speaking generally and on a macro level, LSU was waaaaay out in front of "the rest" of the country 15-20 years ago (talent, facilities, fan support, mostly mostly mostly talent due to the other two). Over that time the rest of college baseball hasn't completely caught up - they never will long term with LSU - but they certainly have closed the gap a little bit and made themselves more competitive and therefore more likely to occasionally "knock off" LSU, certainly more capable of doing so than they were in 1990-2005ish (the flip side is also true.......due to the limitations and changes, LSU has lost some people here and there and -independent of everyone else "catching up" - LSU itself has become more vulnerable to getting knocked off occasionally....talent that these other teams are getting to close the gap sometimes is coming directly out of our pocket, for whatever reason we can't make it work and occasionally some players get away...whereas in the past we ALWAYS got exactly who we wanted, there was never a concern of losing someone that we wanted to another college.)
LSU was the unquestionable big dog with inherent advantages. The big dog likes the status quo. NCAA didn't like status quo and wanted to attempt to expand the game nationally. NCAA changes things to even the playing field in hopes of growing the sport as a whole. NCAA changes more things (bats) that inevitably and not surprisingly even the playing field even further. Is it really any shock or surprise that LSU has gone from winning a national title every other year to a national title every fourth or fifth year?? Lol, no it's not surprising at all when you take a step back and look at the college baseball landscape as a whole. It makes perfect sense. It is exactly what "they" wanted. It is what it is, times are different and we adapt and our fans probably need to get used to the new landscape and not beat ourselves up and feel embarassed if we don't make it it to Omaha's every single year and if we don't win the national title every other year, because the landscape has shifted away from us (or anyone) dominating year-in-year-out.
What does it all mean?? It ain't as easy these days as it was for Skip. LSU - and NO SCHOOL for that matter - will ever win 5 titles in a 10 year span again......mark my words, it will NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN.
LSU baseball is fine....Regardless of an extroidinarily tiny sample of 6 disappointing/frustrating postseason losses (I count SIX....that's right: merely 6 postseason games under PM that I'd like to have back....StBr, StBr, UCLA, UNC, Houston, Houston)....Point being: let's not all freak out and think the empire has fallen because of six baseball games...Dissapointing games?yes, certainly...discouraging 3-year string of premature/unexpected exits? Sure.....pattern developing?...maybe, maybe not.... but the end of an empire? LOL, No. LSU is still the big dog (if there is one....at the very least, we're the biggest and most consistent of the big dogs). We win the SEC tourney basically every year, we finish in the Top-third of the SEC regular season standings basically every year, we win a regional 60-70% of the time, we win a Super regional and advance to the CWS about 40-50% of the time, and we'll win the national title once every five years or so. Find me another team (besides floridaSt), that can exceed those success rates on a consistent basis.
LSU baseball is more than fine....it's great. The Houston losses sucked, and we certainly blew it so it's understandable that some people are being a little over dramatic on the heels of a semi-shocking early exit at home. But let's not lose our sense of reality here: LSU baseball is - and will be for as far as the eye can see - college baseball's premier program.
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in the heat of the moment
if you say or do something in the heat of the moment, you say or do it without thinking because you are angry or excited.
Frank doesn't hate you. He just said that in the heat of the moment.
See also: heat, moment Cambridge Idioms Dictionary, 2nd ed. Copyright © Cambridge
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Far too often, we spend time milling over people, situations, and circumstances that are so fleeting in our lives that a month, a year, or 5 years from now we won’t even allocate a breathe for when we look back on it. We allow ourselves to get caught up in the moment. It happens to athletes, coaches, fans, siblings, co-workers, spouses, and everyone else.
LSU baseball is - and will continue to be - the most highly respected and envied baseball program in America for years to come.
LSU baseball fans got a tad spoiled in the 90's. On top of us being über-talented and simply having significantly better players and more of them than everyone else, we also got a tad lucky with CWS and national title game success (it was really somewhat of a statistical anomaly LSUs ridiculous success rate in Omaha...we were certainly good/great, but no one is that good...we were good enough to put ourselves in position and then Lady Luck and the Baseball Gods took over and somehow we always seemed to get hot at PRECISELY the right time, typically in Omaha, and shockingly rolled off 5 titles). It goes without saying: we certainly took advantage of our inherent advantages and made the most of a "hot table" in the 90's, The game is different now with scholarship limitations and parity and shrinking talent gaps. Also, the bat changes have basically amplified all of those things I just mentioned.. So in a game where parity had already taken hold and begun to spread as the talent got distributed more evenly, they then implement a huge fundemental change to the game (the bats) which on its face by itself stand-alone would make games closer and more competitive to begin with. So it's a basically a tidal wave of changes that there's only one possible result: MORE PARITY.
So let's think about this… Speaking generally and on a macro level, LSU was waaaaay out in front of "the rest" of the country 15-20 years ago (talent, facilities, fan support, mostly mostly mostly talent due to the other two). Over that time the rest of college baseball hasn't completely caught up - they never will long term with LSU - but they certainly have closed the gap a little bit and made themselves more competitive and therefore more likely to occasionally "knock off" LSU, certainly more capable of doing so than they were in 1990-2005ish (the flip side is also true.......due to the limitations and changes, LSU has lost some people here and there and -independent of everyone else "catching up" - LSU itself has become more vulnerable to getting knocked off occasionally....talent that these other teams are getting to close the gap sometimes is coming directly out of our pocket, for whatever reason we can't make it work and occasionally some players get away...whereas in the past we ALWAYS got exactly who we wanted, there was never a concern of losing someone that we wanted to another college.)
LSU was the unquestionable big dog with inherent advantages. The big dog likes the status quo. NCAA didn't like status quo and wanted to attempt to expand the game nationally. NCAA changes things to even the playing field in hopes of growing the sport as a whole. NCAA changes more things (bats) that inevitably and not surprisingly even the playing field even further. Is it really any shock or surprise that LSU has gone from winning a national title every other year to a national title every fourth or fifth year?? Lol, no it's not surprising at all when you take a step back and look at the college baseball landscape as a whole. It makes perfect sense. It is exactly what "they" wanted. It is what it is, times are different and we adapt and our fans probably need to get used to the new landscape and not beat ourselves up and feel embarassed if we don't make it it to Omaha's every single year and if we don't win the national title every other year, because the landscape has shifted away from us (or anyone) dominating year-in-year-out.
What does it all mean?? It ain't as easy these days as it was for Skip. LSU - and NO SCHOOL for that matter - will ever win 5 titles in a 10 year span again......mark my words, it will NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN.
LSU baseball is fine....Regardless of an extroidinarily tiny sample of 6 disappointing/frustrating postseason losses (I count SIX....that's right: merely 6 postseason games under PM that I'd like to have back....StBr, StBr, UCLA, UNC, Houston, Houston)....Point being: let's not all freak out and think the empire has fallen because of six baseball games...Dissapointing games?yes, certainly...discouraging 3-year string of premature/unexpected exits? Sure.....pattern developing?...maybe, maybe not.... but the end of an empire? LOL, No. LSU is still the big dog (if there is one....at the very least, we're the biggest and most consistent of the big dogs). We win the SEC tourney basically every year, we finish in the Top-third of the SEC regular season standings basically every year, we win a regional 60-70% of the time, we win a Super regional and advance to the CWS about 40-50% of the time, and we'll win the national title once every five years or so. Find me another team (besides floridaSt), that can exceed those success rates on a consistent basis.
LSU baseball is more than fine....it's great. The Houston losses sucked, and we certainly blew it so it's understandable that some people are being a little over dramatic on the heels of a semi-shocking early exit at home. But let's not lose our sense of reality here: LSU baseball is - and will be for as far as the eye can see - college baseball's premier program.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:55 pm to Fifthstring
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Paul is an average to slightly above average coach, I know that's not a popular thing to say, but it's an option based on a large sample size.
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