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What's up with Ives' projected lineup vs Nigeria?
Posted on 6/6/14 at 3:07 am
Posted on 6/6/14 at 3:07 am
I don't get it.
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PROJECTED USMNT LINEUP vs. NIGERIA
————————Altidore—————————
Bedoya——Dempsey———-Bradley———–Zusi
————————Jones——————————
Beasley——Besler———–Cameron——Johnson
———————–Howard—————————-
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Posted on 6/6/14 at 3:16 am to cwil177
Seems like a reasonable line-up. What is the problem?
Posted on 6/6/14 at 3:18 am to Keys Open Doors
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Seems like a reasonable line-up. What is the problem?
Considering it's a formation that we've never used under JK. I doubt we change it up again with a week until the World Cup.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 3:21 am to Broski
What's the main difference besides Bedoya?
We had Jones playing behind Bradley in the Turkey game and Zusi on the right. Dempsey is kind of floating around in an attacking non-wing position and the we've used the defensive look before. Seeing how Chandler looked I can see why Beasley is starting.
We had Jones playing behind Bradley in the Turkey game and Zusi on the right. Dempsey is kind of floating around in an attacking non-wing position and the we've used the defensive look before. Seeing how Chandler looked I can see why Beasley is starting.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 3:42 am to Keys Open Doors
That "flat-4" was what we switched to as a halftime adjustment during the match with Turkey to help out our defensive tendency that hung Jones out to dry in the diamond.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 3:46 am to DByrd2
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That "flat-4" was what we switched to as a halftime adjustment during the match with Turkey to help out our defensive tendency that hung Jones out to dry in the diamond.
The flat 4 included Jones though. It was a basic 4-4-2.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 7:04 am to Broski
I'd be ok with that formation (maybe Chandler for Beasley).
I think Dempsey will float around like he always does. Bradley is a little less advanced, and it won't be a fixed formation - I would expect Bradly to be back by Jones a lot when they have possession.
I think that the way Jurgen has been going, this formation would be an attempt to define Jones as staying back, while also keeping Bradly a little more defensive than the diamond would.
I think formations will really be useless in defining how we play though - that same starting line-up would be a 4-2-3-1, 4-4-2 (flat), 4-4-2 (diamond) and 4-1-4-1. There will likely be interchange in the middle of the match.
I think Dempsey will float around like he always does. Bradley is a little less advanced, and it won't be a fixed formation - I would expect Bradly to be back by Jones a lot when they have possession.
I think that the way Jurgen has been going, this formation would be an attempt to define Jones as staying back, while also keeping Bradly a little more defensive than the diamond would.
I think formations will really be useless in defining how we play though - that same starting line-up would be a 4-2-3-1, 4-4-2 (flat), 4-4-2 (diamond) and 4-1-4-1. There will likely be interchange in the middle of the match.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 7:20 am to Keys Open Doors
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Seeing how Chandler looked I can see why Beasley is starting.
I've seen a few people say things like this and I just don't get it. Yes, he did frick up at the end and he was to blame for the goal. Even factoring that in, how anyone could prefer Beasley start is beyond me. I feel like most people just want to hate him because of the douche way he strung out committing to the national team.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 7:43 am to TheDude
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I've seen a few people say things like this and I just don't get it. Yes, he did frick up at the end and he was to blame for the goal. Even factoring that in, how anyone could prefer Beasley start is beyond me. I feel like most people just want to hate him because of the douche way he strung out committing to the national team.
I agree - I thought Chandler played pretty well (except for getting lazy and giving up the PK), especially given that he had very little support from Davis, etc.
I don't know if Beasley is the better option or not, but against Ghaha, I would feel better with a stronger Chandler there than Beasley.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 7:54 am to TheDude
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. Even factoring that in, how anyone could prefer Beasley start is beyond me
beasley has played better at LB for the USNT, as scary as that sounds/is
chandler has been terrible. bad effort on defense adn gets caught out of position constantly
Posted on 6/6/14 at 9:28 am to Tigerstark
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I think formations will really be useless in defining how we play though - that same starting line-up would be a 4-2-3-1, 4-4-2 (flat), 4-4-2 (diamond) and 4-1-4-1. There will likely be interchange in the middle of the match.
I agree. If we can make the right adjustments and execute I think it gives us a lot of flexibility for tactical change without using a sub. Or shifting based on an incoming sub. Not a lot of depth on the bench though.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 9:53 am to Broski
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The flat 4 included Jones though.
No, it didn't.
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It was a basic 4-4-2.
Not until halftime, no. It was more like what RSL does with Javier Morales ahead of a narrow midfield three with Beckerman deepest, except not really.
And as Tigerstark said, I wouldn't read too far into the actual formation. I'd imagine that it's just what we've been doing prior to Mexico where Bradley has full license to move forward in attack instead, which is what everyone had been clamoring for. When Klinsmann gave Bradley license to move ahead of Beckerman in attack, he made a point to separate the formation into its two phases even though the two CMs are rarely flat going forward in a 4-4-2.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 10:00 am to cwil177
I don't want to leave Jones all alone at the World Cup. Too much responsibility.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 11:23 am to cwil177
I'm just trying to figure out how Dempsey being in the midfield works. I'm glad we play 4 there, but is this going to play like a 4-3-3? Or is this just a 4-2-3-1 with Bradley given license to roam forward and Jermaine put on a leash in front of the back four?
Broski, where did you get your sig pic from? That's awesome.
Broski, where did you get your sig pic from? That's awesome.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 11:30 am to Tigerstark
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I thought Chandler played pretty well
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except for getting lazy and giving up the PK
Um. . . That's a huge fricking exception.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 11:33 am to Tigerstark
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I agree - I thought Chandler played pretty well (except for getting lazy and giving up the PK)
Did you notice him literally just standing and watching play in the first half?
Posted on 6/6/14 at 11:45 am to Patrick_Bateman
Chandler was terrible in the first half. Though Davis provided no help, Gokhan Gonul was controlling the game from his right back position. That's on Chandler. He was leaving miles of space.
Beasley apparently looked terrible against Azerbaijan though I didn't get to watch the match.
Beasley apparently looked terrible against Azerbaijan though I didn't get to watch the match.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 11:53 am to Keys Open Doors
Beasley had trouble just standing up against Azerbaijan but was more capable mentally than Chandler has shown. Basically we can have a smart LB or a more athletic one. I prefer the more tactically aware player in this case. If Chandler can fix his mental mistakes and get some help from Bedoya on the left then he may be the better option. Otherwise I think DMB while not the better defender will avoid making dumb mistakes that could quickly change the result of a game. It's all about points at the WC group stage.
To the Chandler knights...
To the Chandler knights...
Posted on 6/6/14 at 7:05 pm to ezride25
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Basically we can have a smart LB or a more athletic one.
Beasley is a great athlete. The reason Jurgen moved him there was to have a player that can keep up with fast wingers. Beasley should and probably will start. As far as fullbacks go, I prefer Yedlin over Chandler. It would take some moving around, but FJ can play on the left. Yedlin plays his balls off and is fast as hell.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 7:11 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
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I don't want to leave Jones all alone at the World Cup. Too much responsibility.
I have been a fan of Jones, but I gotta agree. Why couldn't we do a 3 man midfield of Jones, Dreads, and Bradley. Bradley being the furthest forward option, Beckerman in the holding role, and JJ somewhere in between. Is Ale Bedoya really a starting World Cup player? This diamond thing in the midfield scares me, I don't think we have the wide players to pull it off.
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