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Athletic program goals and coaches at LSU

Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:23 pm
Posted by DIGGY
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:23 pm
Reading and listening to a lot of comments regarding Paul M and the baseball program. Based on Alleva's stated goals for the Athletics Programs at LSU during his tenure to be not one of winning Championships but being in the hunt for them, how is he not meeting expectations year in and year out?? For that matter what programs at LSU are currently not meeting expectations as they have been defined?
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
10439 posts
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:28 pm to
If he claimed just being in the hint as his goal when arriving, then LSU has no one to blame but itself for hiring a mediocre AD.
Posted by abellsujr
New England
Member since Apr 2014
35249 posts
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:28 pm to
LSU should be in Omaha almost every year, IMO. Those are the expectations. Best recruiting, best stadium, best fans, best facilities. I think it's OK to expect that.
Posted by Patron Saint
Member since Jul 2013
4191 posts
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:52 pm to
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LSU should be in Omaha almost every year, IMO. Those are the expectations. Best recruiting, best stadium, best fans, best facilities. I think it's OK to expect that.


+1
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:55 pm to
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LSU should be in Omaha almost every year, IMO. Those are the expectations.


No it really isn't. That is completely unrealistic and ridiculous.

There are other schools out there with top notch facilities. And just because you have top notch facilities doesn't mean you are one of the 8 best baseball TEAMS in the country.
Posted by abellsujr
New England
Member since Apr 2014
35249 posts
Posted on 6/4/14 at 2:00 pm to
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just because you have top notch facilities
And you have
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Best recruiting, best stadium, best fans
You should be one of the best 8 teams in the country, ALMOST every year, IMO.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39978 posts
Posted on 6/4/14 at 2:01 pm to
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abellsujr

There are plenty of teams with comparable facilities, comparable recruiting and better fans that don't sniff the success we enjoy.
Posted by abellsujr
New England
Member since Apr 2014
35249 posts
Posted on 6/4/14 at 2:04 pm to
I agree, and I think they should. If they're doing great in all those things, why are they not successful?
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 6/4/14 at 2:06 pm to
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You should be one of the best 8 teams in the country, ALMOST every year, IMO

Well that's fine. You can think and have whatever opinion you want. That doesn't mean it is right or make it reality.

Reality is any program can put together a good baseball team depending on how guys gel together and play together. It also depends on how your team is playing at the end of the year. It isn't always only about having the highest rated recruits. Just ask Stony Brook and Houston.
Posted by abellsujr
New England
Member since Apr 2014
35249 posts
Posted on 6/4/14 at 2:08 pm to
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Reality is any program can put together a good baseball team depending on how guys gel together and play together.
If they're not playing well together, who's fault is that? If the right players are not recruited, who's fault is that?
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39978 posts
Posted on 6/4/14 at 2:10 pm to
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Reality is any program can put together a good baseball team depending on how guys gel together and play together. It also depends on how your team is playing at the end of the year. It isn't always only about having the highest rated recruits. Just ask Stony Brook and Houston.

People are always quick to discount the element of luck, which is at the very heart of the game of baseball.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
31775 posts
Posted on 6/4/14 at 2:14 pm to
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No it really isn't. That is completely unrealistic and ridiculous.




How about making the super regionals 3/5 years? Is that realistic enough?
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 6/4/14 at 2:21 pm to
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If the right players are not recruited, who's fault is that?


I don't think you're understand the complexity here. You can't take the time to go watch every single kid in the entire country play a baseball game. LSU isn't go to take their limited amount of time to go watch a kid at small high school that is a RHP that tops out at 85. They are looking for the kids that throw 90 if they are right handed. That isn't their fault. It just isn't feasible to think that a kid that throws 83-85 is going to be highly recruited by LSU. He is going to be a better fit for UH or a smaller school like that. Check out the kid that threw against us in relief the other night. He wasn't lighting up the radar gun. That doesn't mean he can't be a damn good pitcher.

So yes, LSU can land a lot of big name recruits that are going to throw 93, but that doesn't always mean they are going to have the best baseball team. You can just as easily run up against a kid that is throwing 83-85, but is just good enough to beat you.

Baseball is way too complicated of a game to just say "We should be in Omaha every single year".
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 6/4/14 at 2:23 pm to
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People are always quick to discount the element of luck, which is at the very heart of the game of baseball.

Agree 100%. It's hard to even fathom the number of elements that come in to play during the course of 1 baseball game, and the tiny minute things that happen early that turn in to gigantic difference makers a few pitches later.
Posted by abellsujr
New England
Member since Apr 2014
35249 posts
Posted on 6/4/14 at 2:25 pm to
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"We should be in Omaha every single year".
OK, I didn't say they should be in Omaha every single year. But can we at least agree that they should be better than they have been?
Posted by heartbreakTiger
grinding for my grinders
Member since Jan 2008
138974 posts
Posted on 6/4/14 at 2:28 pm to
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and better fans that don't sniff the success we enjoy.

lies, other fans don't give stony brook a victory lap
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 6/4/14 at 2:28 pm to
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OK, I didn't say they should be in Omaha every single year. But can we at least agree that they should be better than they have been?


Ok you did say "almost". I did misread that.

Yes. I honestly don't think this LSU team was that great of a team. I never bash any of LSU's team or the players or the coaches on this website.

They got hot at the end of the year and played out of their minds to get to where they did. I don't think this was a National Championship caliber team.

It sucks that we lost in the Regionals, since we shouldn't have lost, but I still believe this team accomplished a lot. I hope that we have a beeter baseball team in 2015 and that they gel together at the right time and make a deep run.
This post was edited on 6/4/14 at 2:29 pm
Posted by secman12
Lake Charles
Member since Apr 2011
1212 posts
Posted on 6/4/14 at 2:29 pm to
well, the last SEC titles for some sports is waaaaaay outide Joe's theme,
last sec champ
football 2011
softball 2004
baseball 2011
Men hoops 2006
womens hoops 2008
women tennis never
men tennis 1999
women golf 1992
mens golf 1987
gym 1981
mens swim 1988
womens swim never
Volleyball 2009
womens track 2011
CC never

Now a number of these teams do well nationally at times which is a factor for sure, sec facts are not pretty for some

Posted by heartbreakTiger
grinding for my grinders
Member since Jan 2008
138974 posts
Posted on 6/4/14 at 2:30 pm to
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How about making the super regionals 3/5 years? Is that realistic enough?

FWIW our baseball expectations should be: sec tourny/regionals every year. hosting 4/5 regionals and winning 4 out of the 5 regionals, then in supers id be ok with 1 or 2 trips to omaha in the 5 year cycles. we are failing at that right now.
Posted by Mayhawman
Somewhere in the middle of SEC West
Member since Dec 2009
10086 posts
Posted on 6/4/14 at 2:31 pm to
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If they're not playing well together, who's fault is that? If the right players are not recruited, who's fault is that?

I guess USCe, UF, FSU, Rice and other #1 seeds all have shite coaching?
You need to step back, look at the obscure teams that have advanced and realize the parity in CBB today. It's difficult, and on the verge of impossible to fulfill your dream of annual CWS appearances.
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