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Concrete expansion joint replacement question

Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:25 pm
Posted by Spankum
Miss-sippi
Member since Jan 2007
55969 posts
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:25 pm
Well, sports are done for the year and it is time to do my annual home improvement project befort it gets too hot...

I noticed that the expansion joints in my driveway are gone and I am tired of grass growing up between them...I think I would like to replace the filler that goes between the segments of slab...

has anyone done this before? if so, what did you use?...
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 8:41 pm
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
27056 posts
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:30 pm to
Slabgasket or Trim-A-Slab will spruce it up a bit compared to backer rod and self-leveling caulk, but it's a little pricier.
Posted by Spankum
Miss-sippi
Member since Jan 2007
55969 posts
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:37 pm to
interesting...sure looks a hell of a lot easier than replacing with wood...

have you ever used either of these products?...I am wondering how long they last...
Posted by Yewkindewit
Near Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
20010 posts
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:56 pm to
I have treated 2x4s to replace in my semi circular drive. They are finally giving out after 26 yrs.
Posted by Spankum
Miss-sippi
Member since Jan 2007
55969 posts
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:11 pm to
quote:

I have treated 2x4s to replace in my semi circular drive. They are finally giving out after 26 yrs.


mine is about 16 years old and there is nothing left but dirt...

what actually is concerning me is that I saw where water was running out from under the driveway the other day after a rain and want to stop everything up so that it doesn't undermine...
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
66763 posts
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:15 pm to
Spray roundup and give it a few weeks. Buy a few tubes of this

Posted by Spankum
Miss-sippi
Member since Jan 2007
55969 posts
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:26 pm to
I actually looked at the liquids (because it looks like that is what was originally there), but the cracks are about an inch and a half wide and it would take one hell of a lot of tubes to fill even one joint...at about $9 per tube, I think Ima have to do something else...
Posted by Franks
AMERICA'S CITY
Member since Apr 2014
50 posts
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:30 pm to
quote:

Slabgasket or Trim-A-Slab will spruce it up a bit compared to backer rod and self-leveling caulk, but it's a little pricier.


backer rod and sealants are the way to go. Won't have to worry about it again
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
48829 posts
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:35 pm to
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backer rod and sealants are the way to go. Won't have to worry about it again


Until the caulk wears out and the backer rod rots out.

However Spankum you can get 1 1/2" backer rod and a load able caulk gun with that size tip. Buy the Spectrum of NP 1 or whatever else they are using in five gallon buckets. Cheaper and they are self leveling.

CMC or whatever it is on Highland by Ruffinos has anything you want.
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 9:40 pm
Posted by CroakaBait
Gulf Coast of the Land Mass
Member since Nov 2013
3971 posts
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:40 pm to
Redwood 2 x 4's. Cost some money but last a good while. Definitely a pain to install, but they look good when done.
Posted by Warfarer
Dothan, AL
Member since May 2010
12120 posts
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:02 pm to
Don't bother trying to replace expansion joint, there is no point in the slightest. Expansion joint is there to create a spot so concrete can breathe a bit with temperature changes.

The best and easiest way to seal them back is to clean them out with a pressure washer or something then dry them out good. Go buy some silicon sealant from an industrial supplier, Sika is an industry standard to be used by most DOTs. They make different colors and they use a standard caulk gun to apply it. Tell them how long and wide the joints are and they should be able to tell you about how many tubes you will need. Easy to apply but a bitch if you get some anywhere else so make sure not to try to spread it too much. If the joints are about 1/2" which is pretty standard fiber joint but if they were 1x4s in it then they are probably closer to 3/4 wide, you can take something like a piece of heavy rubber and cut it on a little radius. you can shape the joints up with it but you will do better just to let them settle into the joints anyway because they will get covered with dirt soon enough.
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
65497 posts
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:06 pm to
This^

Boom.
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
48829 posts
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:21 pm to
quote:

The best and easiest way to seal them back is to clean them out with a pressure washer or something then dry them out good. Go buy some silicon sealant from an industrial supplier, Sika is an industry standard to be used by most DOTs. They make different colors and they use a standard caulk gun to apply it. Tell them how long and wide the joints are and they should be able to tell you about how many tubes you will need. Easy to apply but a bitch if you get some anywhere else so make sure not to try to spread it too much. If the joints are about 1/2" which is pretty standard fiber joint but if they were 1x4s in it then they are probably closer to 3/4 wide, you can take something like a piece of heavy rubber and cut it on a little radius. you can shape the joints up with it but you will do better just to let them settle into the joints anyway because they will get covered with dirt soon enough.


If you don't use a backer rod you will use ten times more caulk than needed. Backer rod is much cheaper than the caulk. Also the joints are a full inch and a half wide. Easier to get the reload able larger gun with a inch and a half tip and make the caulk joint in one pass.
Posted by BoostAddict
Member since Jun 2007
2986 posts
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:23 pm to
It's not an expansion joint. Fill it with whatever.
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
48829 posts
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:25 pm to
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Posted by Message BoostAddict Concrete expansion joint replacement question It's not an expansion joint. Fill it with whatever.


Do you think you are in the garage door thread?
Posted by BoostAddict
Member since Jun 2007
2986 posts
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:53 pm to
quote:

Do you think you are in the garage door thread?



Most driveways don't need expansion joints... only in rare cases. It's more likely a form board.. where as today they use metal keyed joints. Whatever... the "expansion joint" is not doing what and expansion joint is supposed to do... so fill it with whatever as I said. I would stuff some similar width expansion joint material in there and seal the top with elastomeric caulk.
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
37246 posts
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:59 pm to
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Most driveways don't need expansion joints


Someone needs to break the news to the construction industry then.
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
48829 posts
Posted on 6/3/14 at 11:00 pm to
Well that's what the hell I've been saying. Backer rod and caulk.
Posted by Warfarer
Dothan, AL
Member since May 2010
12120 posts
Posted on 6/3/14 at 11:25 pm to
quote:

If you don't use a backer rod you will use ten times more caulk than needed. Backer rod is much cheaper than the caulk.


I can agree with that.

quote:

Also the joints are a full inch and a half wide.


No expansion joint is an inch and a half wide. If there is a 2 x 4 or 6 that was in there then it was just lazily left in place and was a form, not an expansion joint.

Also, a little trick to make wood joints last longer and stay in place better is to drill a hole about every two feet down towards the bottom of the board and put a nail through it. Leaves enough up top not to just break off and the nails keep it from swelling out of the concrete.
Posted by BoostAddict
Member since Jun 2007
2986 posts
Posted on 6/4/14 at 12:27 am to
quote:

Someone needs to break the news to the construction industry then.



Would you like to read the ACI code requirement/recommendations for concrete joints? An expansion joint is not the same as a contraction joint or construction joint. It could be considered an isolation joint though. Most contractors and many engineers have no fricking idea what is the correct way to do concrete joints.
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