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For everyone blaming CPM for pulling Bouman Sunday, please read this
Posted on 6/3/14 at 7:02 am
Posted on 6/3/14 at 7:02 am
I know its hard to see but here are Bouman's numbers for his last 3 starts:
5.0IP 4H 1R 1ER 1BB 2K
6.0IP 2H 1R 1ER 2BB 3K
6.0IP 2H 0R 0ER 2BB 0K
CPM did exactly what he has done during the streak with Bouman on the mound. He was pitching a great game, there is no doubt but 6 innings was his limit. You have to be able to trust your bullpen to win a championship.
the only variation was that he hadn't thrown nearly the number of pitches. But your bullpen should be able to come in and get 9 outs
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 7:06 am
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Posted on 6/3/14 at 7:05 am to mylsuhat
...who recruited the bullpen?
Posted on 6/3/14 at 7:05 am to mylsuhat
Wow great find.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 7:06 am to mylsuhat
That was never the problem, it was sending McCune back out for a 2nd inning, letting him load them up and leave him out there
Posted on 6/3/14 at 7:06 am to mylsuhat
You are exactly right, he stuck with some formula instead of feeling it out. That's where i think he messed up. Bouman went 5 and bumped it up to six innings...why is that the magical cut off number?
Posted on 6/3/14 at 7:06 am to mylsuhat
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CPM did exactly what he has done during the streak with Bouman on the mound
Maybe so- this time the decision to do it it backfired .
Posted on 6/3/14 at 7:07 am to mylsuhat
I call bullshite. Have the arms ready in the pen if it gets rough. The Cougs coach rode that rag arm last night.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 7:09 am to mylsuhat
This doesn't really prove anything. It would be a much stronger argument if you had stats showing that bouman was getting blasted once he crossed that 6 inning threshold. Using your stats, who's to say he wouldnt get stronger in the later innings?
Posted on 6/3/14 at 7:10 am to More beer please
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Bouman went 5 and bumped it up to six innings...why is that the magical cut off number?
6 innings means 2 trips through the lineup no matter how good a pitcher has been. Bouman doesn't exactly have over powering stuff. Maybe the coaching staff that works with this kid tirelessly don't like the idea of him facing a lineup for the third time through.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 7:11 am to mylsuhat
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6 innings was his limit.
I think having a preset # of pitches was a silly thing to get wrapped up in sunday night when your starter was CRUISING. Go with the hot hand until he's not hot anymore.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 7:12 am to rlanders23
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It would be a much stronger argument if you had stats showing that bouman was getting blasted once he crossed that 6 inning threshold. Using your stats, who's to say he wouldnt get stronger in the later innings?
This is where I trust the decision of the coaching staff that spends months upon months of their time working through fall practices and bullpens with the kid over a bunch of idiots on a message board.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 7:12 am to mylsuhat
I dont need to read anything. To yank a guy who had 62 pitches and had given up two hits with out even letting him see the mound in the 7th is dumb.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 7:13 am to PurpleAndGold86
Yeah and McCunes stuff is clearly off the charts good
Any of these arguments could be made. My issue is Paul won't man up and say "I fricked up" or take any responsibility. He blames the pitchers last night, and we got 2 runs. It's always somebody else's fault with him.
Any of these arguments could be made. My issue is Paul won't man up and say "I fricked up" or take any responsibility. He blames the pitchers last night, and we got 2 runs. It's always somebody else's fault with him.
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 7:16 am
Posted on 6/3/14 at 7:13 am to monsterballads
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Go with the hot hand until he's not hot anymore.
You don't have the luxury to sit around and wait for your pitcher to "not be hot" anymore when you are up 1-0 in a game. You trust your preparation and game plan at that point.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 7:14 am to lsuhunt555
bouman: 6 innings, 2 hits, 4 baserunners total, 62 pitches, ZERO runs
and they pull him? what does that tell the kid?
that can't make any sense to an intelligent baseball fan...
and they pull him? what does that tell the kid?
that can't make any sense to an intelligent baseball fan...
Posted on 6/3/14 at 7:16 am to More beer please
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Yeah and McCunes stuff is clearly off the charts good
Typical response from a fan that is pissed off and doesn't really know what they are talking about. If you don't understand that it is difficult for a pitcher that has 0 swing and miss pitches in his repertoire to face a lineup 3 times then you are clueless. We had a 1 run lead when Bouman came out of the game. PM trusted McCune to be able to come in and get outs...you know, kind of like he did for 2 innings with a 2 run lead against the SEC regular season champion #2 National Seed Florida Gators in the SEC Championship game.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 7:18 am to PurpleAndGold86
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You don't have the luxury to sit around and wait for your pitcher to "not be hot" anymore when you are up 1-0 in a game. You trust your preparation and game plan at that point.
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The Tigers led 4-0 entering the top of the top of the eighth inning when Houston came to life against the LSU bullpen. After facing the minimum in the seventh by virtue of a double play, LSU reliever Kurt McCune allowed the first four Cougars to reach base, including an interference call against the righthander and three singles - the last of which drove in two runs and cut the lead to 4-2.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 7:19 am to mylsuhat
So, in one of those examples, he was able to throw 28 more pitches.
You've just destroyed your own point.
You've just destroyed your own point.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 7:20 am to monsterballads
This thread is 100% about Bouman...why are you now talking about McCune?
The entire premise of this thread is the discussion of why Bouman was lifted out of the game.
Great contribution though.
The entire premise of this thread is the discussion of why Bouman was lifted out of the game.
Great contribution though.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 7:21 am to moneyg
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So, in one of those examples, he was able to throw 28 more pitches. You've just destroyed your own point.
Except that if you read the box score you would realize he faced 21, 23 and 22 batters in those three games. I guess you don't see a trend there?
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