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Snowden is a CIA spy
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:26 am
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:26 am
Snowden is a CIA spy.
Does it change your opinion on him?
NPR Blog Story
ABC News
Does it change your opinion on him?
quote:
Seeking to correct what [Snowden] calls "misleading" statements about his work for U.S. government agencies, former NSA contractor Edward Snowden tells NBC Nightly News anchor Brian Williams he "was trained as a spy" and worked for several.
NPR Blog Story
quote:
At the time of the alleged incident, Snowden said he was working undercover for the CIA in Geneva maintaining computer network security.
ABC News
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Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:35 am to MagicCityBlazer
We discussed this in the thread during his NBC interview. If true, it's hard for the government to keep dismissing him as a low level data clerk who was a high school drop out. I'm not sure how it affects what he did, the reasons he gave for doing it or the "fallout" (public knowledge of what the NSA is doing) from his actions.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:47 am to MagicCityBlazer
quote:
Snowden is a CIA spy
Wait, what???
I didn't watch the interview and have not heard this... So he is claiming that he worked for the CIA prior to his work at Dell and the NSA in Hawaii
If this is the case, why didn't he say this when the US Govt was railroading him. Seems like BS to me
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:50 am to Lsut81
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If this is the case, why didn't he say this when the US Govt was railroading him. Seems like BS to me
I'm not sure what the long game is on the issue, but if you have a secret name when calling the CIA headquarters you are a spy no matter how you look at it.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:51 am to Lsut81
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If this is the case, why didn't he say this when the US Govt was railroading him. Seems like BS to me
Not show your cards and make the gov't say something dumb. IF this us true, that's what I would do.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:54 am to Lsut81
quote:And yet the fact that the CIA went "no comment" on us rather than saying he was definitely NOT a former agent of theirs sort of tells me that they're afraid he can prove it and don't want to go on record.
If this is the case, why didn't he say this when the US Govt was railroading him. Seems like BS to me
He's sort of been playing them for a bit. He makes an assertion. Waits for them to deny categorically and then viola'.......proof they're full of shite. IE, when the NSA said they had no record whatsoever of him ever bringing any issues to their attention. Oops. Email shows otherwise.
Smart of them. They need to shut up cause it's obvious he has em by the balls.
This post was edited on 5/30/14 at 9:56 am
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:56 am to MagicCityBlazer
Would it be ironic if he was charged by Russia for spying and sent to jail? 
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:56 am to ShortyRob
Is the reason he is back in the news because of the targeting list or some other reason?
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:57 am to ShortyRob
quote:
And yet the fact that the CIA went "no comment" on us rather than saying he was definitely NOT a former agent of theirs sort of tells me that they're afraid he can prove it and don't want to go on record.
I'm not so sure the tail is wagging the dog here.
What if the CIA is in some way complicit with his leaking of things to Glenn Greenwald and his flight to Hong Kong and then Moscow? It makes more sense than a CIA spy going rogue and living to tell the tale.
The CIA could have gotten to him by now if they really wanted to.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:00 am to wickowick
quote:I would assume so.
Is the reason he is back in the news because of the targeting list or some other reason?
As Greenwald has pointed out. Snowden wanted the stuff leaked out bit by bit because he understood if it all came out at once, it would be the story of the moment for a while and then background. That's sort of how all stories work in our media market.
By drip dropping, he keeps us talking about it a loooong time.
Beyond that, another smart thing about that strategy is this.
If you release EVERYTHING at once, then the intel agencies can go over it all and develop a rhetorical counter to it. Which is actually what they did initially. Now that it's obvious that every time they do that, he's gonna come out with more shite, they've largely shut the frick up because they know their pants are down.
On that front, his approach is exactly right and smart.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:01 am to MagicCityBlazer
People the CIA works with leave all the time. I'm not sure why so many people distinguish the CIA and NSA here.
The American intelligence community is so messed up that there is really no telling who he was working with or for, and he may not even know. The DNI runs things outside of the CIA and NSA, and the NSA runs clandestine ops (of a diff nature, of course) just like the CIA does.
The American intelligence community is so messed up that there is really no telling who he was working with or for, and he may not even know. The DNI runs things outside of the CIA and NSA, and the NSA runs clandestine ops (of a diff nature, of course) just like the CIA does.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:05 am to Lsut81
quote:Actually, the BS part is the railroading.
If this is the case, why didn't he say this when the US Govt was railroading him. Seems like BS to me
If there were no government culpability, why would the government not just ....... wait for it ........... tell the truth?
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:05 am to Pettifogger
Obama supporters REALLY hate this guy
But if he had done this under bush, he'd be a hero to them. That's when dissent was patriotic.
But if he had done this under bush, he'd be a hero to them. That's when dissent was patriotic.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:07 am to ShortyRob
quote:Indeed.
they've largely shut the frick up because they know their pants are down
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:22 am to ShortyRob
quote:
And yet the fact that the CIA went "no comment" on us rather than saying he was definitely NOT a former agent of theirs sort of tells me that they're afraid he can prove it and don't want to go on record.
Read "Legacy of Ashes: The History of the CIA" by Tim Weiner.
That whole organization has been one cluster after another since it's inception.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:37 am to MagicCityBlazer
Snowden had to be spy. There is no other way a low level tech gains the type of access and has the type of knowledge he has about our spying program. Snowden went rogue but he had some help along the way. I bet there were others that felt the same way he did but were not going to risk it.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:42 am to Godfather1
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That whole organization has been one cluster after another since it's inception.
The CIA is a spectacularly well run, well oiled machine.
Provided you are comparing them to how the NSA is run.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:46 am to TOKEN
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Snowden had to be spy. There is no other way a low level tech gains the type of access and has the type of knowledge he has about our spying program. Snowden went rogue but he had some help along the way. I bet there were others that felt the same way he did but were not going to risk it.
You guys know the vast majority of people at NSA and CIA are not spies, right? They may have high level access to intelligence but they're not spooks.
He may have been more than some bottom rung technician, but that doesn't mean he was a case officer or something similar.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:51 am to MagicCityBlazer
Spy or not, this could get pretty damn interesting really fast. 
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:52 am to Pettifogger
quote:
He may have been more than some bottom rung technician, but that doesn't mean he was a case officer or something similar.
He said he was a spy.
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