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Are the Astros rebuilding the right way? I believe so, but this writer doesn't..
Posted on 5/29/14 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 1:43 pm
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The Astros were right to leave Springer down for a little bit. It was smart IMO. He struggled mightily in spring training and needed the confidence boost. Could you imagine his confidence if he had the spring + slow start he had? The bonus was adding more team control by bringing him up later.
Singleton definitely should have started at AAA after his year last year in limited ABs. He is slumping now, but his OBP and power still looks good. He'd be a great call up in late June or even after the ASB.
Did Luhnow really have a choice other than a "scorched earth" policy? The cupboards were bare. Plus, he didn't have a Zito/hudson/Mulder trio. That's the part nobody fricking talks about in money ball. Beane is a great GM, but it's not like he isn't without fault or didn't get lucky.
Pitchers/Players bitching about the shift are the ones who don't understand math. The shift obviously works.
This is the only legit question that one could really have about Luhnow adn co. at this point in time. This may work great, but it may also suck in time. Who knows?
I'm not sure what this even means. sounds like whining to me. Do I believe the Astros get a little too analytic and use some pretty backhanded ways to negotiate? Sure. But many teams do. That's just the nature of the business now.
Did the writer just want the Astros to spend 90M on payroll just for the hell of it to finish 3rd or 4th?
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George Springer, who, judging by his May performance, was clearly held in AAA just to extend his service time (read: make him cheaper down the line).
The Astros were right to leave Springer down for a little bit. It was smart IMO. He struggled mightily in spring training and needed the confidence boost. Could you imagine his confidence if he had the spring + slow start he had? The bonus was adding more team control by bringing him up later.
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Top prospect Jon Singleton is sitting in the minors when the team is desperate for a first baseman. How many more games would they have won with Springer up to start? With Singleton in the lineup instead of the dreck they are throwing in at 1B?
Singleton definitely should have started at AAA after his year last year in limited ABs. He is slumping now, but his OBP and power still looks good. He'd be a great call up in late June or even after the ASB.
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The other side (hemisphere?) of Luhnow's scorched earth strategy is not trying to win. One thing Beane never did, even during the Geren years, was punt a season before it started. Every offseason he went in looking to be competitive. Beane has never lost 90 games, let alone 100.
Did Luhnow really have a choice other than a "scorched earth" policy? The cupboards were bare. Plus, he didn't have a Zito/hudson/Mulder trio. That's the part nobody fricking talks about in money ball. Beane is a great GM, but it's not like he isn't without fault or didn't get lucky.
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Players seem to have an issue with respect to defensive shifts. The Astros shift more than any other team in MLB, and they implement shifts top down throughout the organization.
Pitchers/Players bitching about the shift are the ones who don't understand math. The shift obviously works.
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The second on-field issue is with respect to pitcher development. The Astros employ what is referred to as a modified-tandem strategy. Their minor league pitchers don't pitch on regular five-day intervals. They mix and match and have two starting pitchers split each game.
This is the only legit question that one could really have about Luhnow adn co. at this point in time. This may work great, but it may also suck in time. Who knows?
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ne Astros player, speaking anonymously, seemed to echo the sentiments of many: "I don't think anybody's happy. I'm not. They just take out the human element of baseball. It's hard to play for a GM who just sees you as a number instead of a person. Jeff's experimenting with all of us."
I'm not sure what this even means. sounds like whining to me. Do I believe the Astros get a little too analytic and use some pretty backhanded ways to negotiate? Sure. But many teams do. That's just the nature of the business now.
Did the writer just want the Astros to spend 90M on payroll just for the hell of it to finish 3rd or 4th?
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Posted on 5/29/14 at 1:54 pm to Moustache
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Posted on 5/29/14 at 1:58 pm to msutiger
Didn't they hire someone from the Cards organization. I like the plan long term, obviously the results short term look bad but there's no sense in bringing in the free agents until you've built the farm system up.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:09 pm to Moustache
quote:Many analytic guys believe that starting from scratch is the best strategy for the future. You can rebuild without tearing it all down, but it's much, much more difficult to do successfully.
Did Luhnow really have a choice other than a "scorched earth" policy? The cupboards were bare. Plus, he didn't have a Zito/hudson/Mulder trio. That's the part nobody fricking talks about in money ball. Beane is a great GM, but it's not like he isn't without fault or didn't get lucky.
quote:Take the Houston Rockets for example. The GM, Daryl Morey (big analytics guy), doesn't refer to the players as players... he refers to them as "assets".
I'm not sure what this even means. sounds like whining to me. Do I believe the Astros get a little too analytic and use some pretty backhanded ways to negotiate? Sure. But many teams do. That's just the nature of the business now.
They aren't thought of like human beings.. they are thought of as numbers and stats on a page at a price.
Daryl Morey of the Rockets also uses the D-League team to experiment with his statistical theories on how basketball could be most efficiently played. So the players are made to play a completely different style of basketball than they are used to as part of his statistical experimenting.
So I completely get where some Astros players may be coming from.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:15 pm to Moustache
What a terrible article 
Meh, tied for 13th in QS. 26th in ERA thanks to the bullpen but the staff has been decent. Also, use some fricking commas.
All while building the best farm system in baseball waiting for the right time to spend. I have no doubt Crane will spend when the time is right. His first few years of owning the team have been tumultuous enough. TV deal, lower attendance, bad team - he wants to win.
Sounds like a whiny bitch who didn't get his way. Wouldn't be suprised if that was Cosart.
Yeah, I'm not finishing that. Luhnow has done a great job so far. Only miss so far looks like Appel over Bryant but that remains to be seen.
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Their pitchers have for the most part been pathetic.
Meh, tied for 13th in QS. 26th in ERA thanks to the bullpen but the staff has been decent. Also, use some fricking commas.
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Luhnow has never gone into a season trying to be competitive. He, the fans, and the players, knew going into 2012, 2013, and 2014, that the Astros were not going to compete for a playoff spot. That to me is unforgivable.
All while building the best farm system in baseball waiting for the right time to spend. I have no doubt Crane will spend when the time is right. His first few years of owning the team have been tumultuous enough. TV deal, lower attendance, bad team - he wants to win.
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"I don't think anybody's happy. I'm not. They just take out the human element of baseball. It's hard to play for a GM who just sees you as a number instead of a person. Jeff's experimenting with all of us."
Sounds like a whiny bitch who didn't get his way. Wouldn't be suprised if that was Cosart.
Yeah, I'm not finishing that. Luhnow has done a great job so far. Only miss so far looks like Appel over Bryant but that remains to be seen.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:16 pm to Moustache
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Are the Astros rebuilding the right way?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:19 pm to Moustache
I don't think so....
They should be bringing the kids up and seeing ho can perform at an MLB level. Prospects by nature have a lot of hype and they could tear up AA and AAA pitching but never hit MLB. Sitting Springer delayed his contract years but I think he would have been better off starting the season in MLB rather than AAA.
Certain players maybe not, but to contend they need these young guys MLB ready and to find out if they are MLB ready is to place them in MLB. I hope Shields and a few others end up stars because the Astros and Braves were teams I watched growing up since Yankees were not always on TV
They should be bringing the kids up and seeing ho can perform at an MLB level. Prospects by nature have a lot of hype and they could tear up AA and AAA pitching but never hit MLB. Sitting Springer delayed his contract years but I think he would have been better off starting the season in MLB rather than AAA.
Certain players maybe not, but to contend they need these young guys MLB ready and to find out if they are MLB ready is to place them in MLB. I hope Shields and a few others end up stars because the Astros and Braves were teams I watched growing up since Yankees were not always on TV
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:21 pm to Fearthehat0307
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What is the right way then?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:25 pm to BamaHater
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What is the right way then?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:31 pm to Moustache
The team can increase payroll and sign a few people. It would just be spending money to spend though.
Might as well stay the course. Looks promising.
Might as well stay the course. Looks promising.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:35 pm to WG_Tiger23
quote:Agree with that. Why spend extra $30 million dollars and only improve good enough to 3rd or 4th in the division and still have a loosing record. If you did this the Astros haters would still not be happy and say you wasted the money.
The team can increase payroll and sign a few people. It would just be spending money to spend though.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:36 pm to Moustache
Yes. I am a big Luhnow fan. Should have drafted Bryant last year though.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:36 pm to tduecen
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I think he would have been better off starting the season in MLB rather than AAA.
How so?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:44 pm to volfan30
Because if they hit in AAA the previous year and hit it well what point is it putting them back in AAA instead of MLB?
You could argue more seasoning but we've seen countless prospects come up who hit AAA and couldn't hit MLB no matter their seasoning and vice versa. If the kid proved he could hit AAA pitching or even high AA pitching I would want to see how they do in MLB vs sending them to minors. Find out who is more of the AAAA type player vs who can be a serviceable MLB player
You could argue more seasoning but we've seen countless prospects come up who hit AAA and couldn't hit MLB no matter their seasoning and vice versa. If the kid proved he could hit AAA pitching or even high AA pitching I would want to see how they do in MLB vs sending them to minors. Find out who is more of the AAAA type player vs who can be a serviceable MLB player
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:46 pm to tduecen
I dont think they are doing it wrong. I just dont think their prospects are as good as people think
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:49 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Prospects usually never are....
I just dont think their prospects are as good as people think
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:50 pm to BamaHater
The Mariners are a perfect example. Have one big name they signed, and then Robinson Cano added for 25 million dollars. Still not contending for the division.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 3:00 pm to Lester Earl
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I dont think they are doing it wrong. I just dont think their prospects are as good as people think
Anyone in particular? The exciting thing for me is the depth. Obviously a fraction pan out so the more you have, the higher the chances.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 3:07 pm to CQQ
None of the pitchers have really impressed me considering their billing.
depth is cool when you have a strong MLB club, but i always ask, who are the difference makers?
depth is cool when you have a strong MLB club, but i always ask, who are the difference makers?
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 3:19 pm to Lester Earl
I hope Shields can be but he may be a reserve or average MLB player...
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