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Who went to MS TechEd a few weeks ago? Are you sick of "cloud"?

Posted on 5/29/14 at 7:25 am
Posted by Schwartz
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Posted on 5/29/14 at 7:25 am
I wanted to start shooting the place up every time I heard that damn word.

Some of the content was pretty cool, especially Russinovich's stuff, and the Snover/Jones PowerShell Tag Team.

I still think that the most worthwhile thing at TechEd is hanging out at the TechExpo and picking the brains of some really, really smart people, though. You can always catch the content on Ch. 9 later.
Posted by jdd48
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Posted on 5/29/14 at 10:24 am to
I don't mean to start a big debate or offend anyone, but IMO, the idea of "the cloud" is for naive higher ups/MBA types that get really excited by buzzwords and don't know much about the real details of IT. The cloud is often sold as a best fit for any type of application, no matter what the application entails. That's plain wrong and irresponsible.
Posted by GrammarKnotsi
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 5/29/14 at 10:28 am to
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the idea of "the cloud" is for naive higher ups/MBA types that get really excited by buzzwords and don't know much about the real details of IT. The cloud is often sold as a best fit for any type of application, no matter what the application entails.


Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 5/29/14 at 10:38 am to
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I don't mean to start a big debate or offend anyone, but IMO, the idea of "the cloud" is for naive higher ups/MBA types that get really excited by buzzwords and don't know much about the real details of IT. The cloud is often sold as a best fit for any type of application, no matter what the application entails. That's plain wrong and irresponsible.

well I agree that buzzwords are often used by executives with no understanding of the underlying technology, the cloud is fundamentally transforming the way businesses operate.

And its for a non technical reason - it takes a capital purchase and turns it into an operating purchase. It allows businesses to innovate without involving IT (which face it, everyone fricking hates IT, even IT hates IT). Its quick time to value, and you can ditch it if it sucks.

The cloud doesn't solve problems by itself, its a mechanism to deliver new services. And its fricking awesome if you ask me.

Its not for everything, but outside of differentiating IT functions, I would be hard pressed to find a good reason to not look at cloud first, then everything else next.
Posted by GrammarKnotsi
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 5/29/14 at 10:40 am to
When you upload data to a third party, there’s always the risk that they can look at the contents of your files. Some cloud providers securely encrypt data, but many don’t. The second issue is data security and integrity: Does the third party keep a tight ship against hackers? What happens if a hard drive fails? What protections have the cloud provider put in place to mitigate against natural disasters, bankruptcy, or being shut down by the Feds?
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 5/29/14 at 10:45 am to
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When you upload data to a third party, there’s always the risk that they can look at the contents of your files. Some cloud providers securely encrypt data, but many don’t. The second issue is data security and integrity: Does the third party keep a tight ship against hackers? What happens if a hard drive fails? What protections have the cloud provider put in place to mitigate against natural disasters, bankruptcy, or being shut down by the Feds?

these were good questions 3-4 years ago, the cloud providers that deal with sensitive data have this figured out.

And we have yet to see a major security breech in the major players (workday, salesforce, oracle, sap). I trust Oracle to know security better than your average IT department.

The questions I hear now (I do work on cloud stuff) is.....
1) How do I integrate my single sign on to your system (really easy to do but something that comes up)
2) How do I provide real time integration between front office/light weight apps in the cloud, and supply chain applications that are on prem.
3) How do we stop putting stuff on Amex and start recognizing it as an technology related cost?
Posted by jdd48
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Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 5/29/14 at 10:46 am to
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And its for a non technical reason - it takes a capital purchase and turns it into an operating purchase.


I realize the capex vs opex thing, and even agree that it is a good fit for some niche things.

However, from my perspective, if I am going to be held responsible for the smooth operation of equipment, for maximum uptime of systems, etc, then I want the equipment where I can put hands on it if shite hits the fan.

I also get how the game works in business though - as an IT worker, I'm not going to win an argument against an MBA, no matter how technically sound my argument might be.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 5/29/14 at 10:51 am to
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I realize the capex vs opex thing, and even agree that it is a good fit for some niche things.

However, from my perspective, if I am going to be held responsible for the smooth operation of equipment, for maximum uptime of systems, etc, then I want the equipment where I can put hands on it if shite hits the fan.

I also get how the game works in business though - as an IT worker, I'm not going to win an argument against an MBA, no matter how technically sound my argument might be

my experience is that cloud stuff has better SLA and uptime than internally developed systems.

Probably not good enough for a call center for AT&T but good enough for everyone else.

And honestly I think uptime and SLA are mostly just an excuse for additional budget. Most operations don't require it, and its cheaper to be down for 30 minutes every other week than it is to actually provide 99.99% uptime.

But it probably depends on the business.
Posted by lsublue
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Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 5/29/14 at 12:20 pm to
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I wanted to start shooting the place up every time I heard that damn word.

Some of the content was pretty cool, especially Russinovich's stuff, and the Snover/Jones PowerShell Tag Team.

I still think that the most worthwhile thing at TechEd is hanging out at the TechExpo and picking the brains of some really, really smart people, though. You can always catch the content on Ch. 9 later.


"Cloud" and "Azure" where definitely the buzz words for the week.

The PowerShell sessions were great. I got to meet Don Jones and Ed Wilson at the Expo. Super nice guys!
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