re: *OFFICIAL* Fringe M/TV Board rewatch thread (current episodes discussion p. 60)

I only watched 1 last week been working on a 5-8 pg essay on Waste Management's accounting scandal

Beep beep Ritchie. Where are your comments?

Better comment soon.

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Beep beep Ritchie. Where are your comments?

Better comment soon.

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Motherfricker, where are yours? You have barely said anything in the last couple weeks about actual episodes or theories.


Here are mine..


The Recordist

The tree people episode...I knew that one was coming pretty soon.

And of course the "tree people" are hippies ("My son, River.").



"No one wants to come here.." Well, not anymore since you said that.

Why wouldn't Windmark know that this officer is a mole? Clearly Observers reading people is something that happens all of the time, and you'd obviously assume that their own human loyalist employees are ones that they would want to read often to make sure everything is on the up and up.

Liv acting awkward. Shocker.

Walter must be a super badass mad scientist genius to whip up a suit like that in about 30 minutes. That's amazing.

I agree with tree man...it's history you are trying to protect. I'd want the Fringe team and the Resistance out of there too.

This was a brave move by tree man, I guess, but couldn't he have saved everyone a lot of crucial time (since the Obs and their loyalists were on the way) by just telling them he was going down to retrieve the stones? I mean, they even had to travel to the nearest community, which adds in additional danger of being caught or found out. He could've eliminated all of that by just being like "Hey, Peter...I'm gonna go down there. Just tell my boy I love him." Oh well.



The Bullet That Saved the World

I'm not exactly sure how the Observer mind reading thing works, but it seems like you'd be able to just focus your mind on singing a song and that's all they'd be able to recognize. If they tried to read me, I'd just use my go-to "kill time in my head song": Easy E - Boyz-n-the-Hood

Aaaaaaand, now it's stuck in my head and I'm singing it.

And why the frick isn't Etta teaching them all how to block being read immediately? She even says she'll teach them "eventually," but wouldn't it be pretty important right from the get go? I mean, there have already been at least two instances where they have been read or attempted to have been. WTF. Even if it takes a while, you should prolly get started on something that important...you know, immediately. Might be useful.

Windmark owning the Simon game is awesome and hilarious to me.



Again, since nobody has responded to this yet...I assume the Observers no longer see all realities and know all outcomes and all that jazz?

I love Walter's crypt of old Fringe event shite. And I love how porcupine man is still in almost perfect condition after decades sitting in a dusty room.

And then Walter eats the moldy, disgusting, jelly growth thing.



I assume that bullet that Etta has is the one that Walter shot Liv in the head with. It's sort of weird to me that she wears around her neck the bullet that shot her mother in the face.

How exact is the ambering process? Could they simply amber the entrance to the building so that when the Obs and loyalist officers got there they'd be like "Oh, it's amber...nothing to see here." ??

Why send Walter as the driver? Are there not cameras all over the place, especially at a fricking checkpoint?

Peter doublefisting guns again.



How can they keep walking into areas like these guns a-blazing and never even come close to getting caught? Are the loyalists that inept?

That reunion with Broyles was pretty awesome.

How the frick do they appear out of nothing, and can they do that all the time? (I think this is answered in this week's assignment episodes perhaps) Seems a bit weird that they wouldn't use that power/technology more often.

And Windmark knows where they went because he basically sensed it? Where the frick is this pretty much always?

Weird. I don't remember Etta dying this early on. Also strange that Windmark would leave her there without killing her, unless he knew she was gonna die or knew that Peter and Liv would go back for her. But then again, if he knew that then that lends credence that maybe they can still see the future/all realities, which takes me back to my point of how anybody can beat them in the first place.



Still digging S5, though I really (REALLY) hate the "Peter/Liv not together" stuff. Their relationship has been SUCH a huge part of the story for a while now, and all of a sudden S5 starts and it's bam, they aren't together and have been apart (divorced? split up? were they ever married anyway?) for a long time (prior to ambering).

It is getting a bit weird, and I remember that from the first time I watched as it aired. But the weirdness isn't bothering me, and I'm enjoying the ride still (unlike the rest of you who barely even post comments about the episodes ).

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The most important question why are they using VHS tapes, you stand a better chance with dvds. Who even has a working VCR

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It's actually betamax per Walter.

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If peter is purchasing the necklace for Etta why isn’t his brain focused on the transaction. If you think about how much to give to the other guy it would keep your mind from drifting off

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That sequence was a little strange. It's SO hard to block being read by Observers, but Peter did well enough to ger away simply by "thinking about baseball." It's either super hard to do or it's not.

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I would have to agree about the observers not knowing the future anymore, otherwise that observer would have seen the gas can coming. The question is what happened to this ability.

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I'm wondering if the whole Peter/reset thing maybe changed something? Or maybe only the high-level Obs can see all timelines (like Windmark, September, and that small group that they used to meet with). Maybe "regular" Observers can only do things like read minds and whatnot.

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Where was Broyles before he became a loyalist, by his own admission he had to learn to block his thoughts like everyone else

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I assume Broyles just never stopped being head of Fringe division. But that begs the question of why Peter, Liv, et all weren't allowed to still be there. I am hoping those things become more clear as the episodes go along, because as of right now, I have questions about the current timeline and the way things are:

- If Broyles is still in Fringe division, why weren't Peter, Liv, Walter, and Astrid?
- What caused Peter and Liv to split up? (this one bugs the shite out of me)
- How long after the invasion did Peter and Liv split up?
- How long after the invasion did they branch off from the Fringe division?
- Surely someone like Windmark has to know that this group is the one that September has been helping this whole time, so with their connections to Broyles, why is Broyles trusted?

Stuff like that..

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Was Windmark ever in the warehouse at the end or did he just wait outside.

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He was in the warehouse when he shot Etta. Then he left, and then sensed that they were going back for her so they went back in there...that's when he saw the anti-matter genade and peaced the frick out and morphed outside.

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Only 13 episodes and we still get some filler. Sure the rocks they got were needed for "The Plan" but is still felt 100% like filler.

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I remember griping about this the first time around...it felt like they were running out of episodes and we were still getting some filler bullshite. Though, to be fair, I enjoyed the filler bullshite for the most part.

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About 35 minutes in and I was wondering how they were going to wrap up the visit to the rough and tough criminal barter camp. Then at the last second I remembered the ending.

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Same thing that happened to me as well.

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That brings up a point. Along with the Fringe group evidently the omnipotent observers also can't keep track of a mutant hillbilly camp using technology that seems pretty dang futuristic.

Along with that mutant hillbilly camp they also have no knowledge of the criminal rough and tumble barter camp?

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This is along the lines of what I said...it is VERY weird that the Obs know so little about some things. Like I said, I assume the "see all futures/realities" thing is out the window, but you'd think they'd at least know about things like this group of people. Although I guess you could argue that nobody really goes in or out of there, and they're pretty self-sufficient, so maybe the Obs have just never crossed paths with this place.

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The whole tree people deal was just weird. Even weirder that the Fringe team are cult heroes and even have fan fiction being made about them. But, I appreciate the history being kept and that's definitely a good place to keep it.

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It was weird to me that they didn't seem at all concerned about becoming tree people. Even to the point where they still hung around despite little pieces of bark showing up on their skin.

Speaking of that, I believe at one point, tree man told them they were already exposed to whatever it was that caused the tree thing. Did we ever get a line about them being cured of that? Seems like that's not something that would just go away, and we know that they were already exposed enough to start showing signs of bark like an hour or two after being there (and going to the source of where it was emanating from.

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Clearly something has changed, but I think they can still do that to some extent. Maybe they screwed things up by going back in time to take over the time they are in. We know that some are still in the future, but a WHOLE lot of baldies are in the past.

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What you mean some are in the future but a lot are in the past? Isn't it the opposite? The future is FULL of Observers, yet the past only has a few running around observing shite.

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September and the other 11 were researchers maybe that is what set them apart from the rest. Maybe they had extra abilities.

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That's what my theory was above, and I'm assuming that until shown otherwise.

what is that blue thing, a dancing kidney

Whoops. Forgot to watch the second episode from last week so I will catch all 3 here. Posting a bit grumpy or more so than normal.

Season 5 Episode 4
The Bullet That Saved The World

Only needed to read the title of the episode to catch the sad.
How did VHS beat Betamax? Betamax had smaller tapes. Usually smaller wins out.

Glad that first observer knew something was up. The simple act of trying to focus on one subject should alert any observer that something is up. people who aren't hiding something tend to have their thoughts constantly bounce around. If someone is focusing hard on one thing, chances are they are trying to hide from mind readers thus they need to head over to re-education camp to meet Simon's head.

Do not search Simon's head animated gif! I was looking for the gif with his eyes blinking but that is not what Bing wanted to show me.

So Peter goes DOWN into the sewer, runs around one corner to avoid the grenade and somehow a storm drain has him back UP.

Ha! So he was supposed to be running through random thoughts. Ok, that neuters my earlier gripe but evidently Petey wasn't doing a good job of random crap.

Heck, just think of sex. Guys spend 99.9% of their day thinking about that so it would be believable.


Just proved my point.

So the Observer finds out that Pete & The Gang are at Harvard but he doesn't immediately send troops?

I really don't see how Broyles could have lasted 20+ years. Being surrounded by Observers all day, I just don't see how he could have survived and not broadcasted his feelings.

Hey Ajak! How about waiting a few minutes before pushing the grating open and how about setting it down instead of letting it loudly hit the ground.

Damn Walter! That is an evil way to kill someone. Slow suffocation.

How can you be a good lookout? Isn't it impossible to check for observers and loyalists without thinking about loyalists and observers?


Sorry Peter. DDL has your two pistols beat. 2 Kentucky rifles for the win.

Oh come on. Are we supposed to believe Broyles would carry around a picture of Olivia and Peter?

And now a family reunion? That is just plain stupid.

You won't make it by Car??? On foot works better???

How about take the tracker off. Take off driving and then ditch the tracker like we have all seen 400 times on other shows.


Etta!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So why exactly did Widmark shoot and leave IMMEDIATELY when he knew there were other fugitives in the building?

Poor Etta. That really messed me up on first viewing? At least she took a pile of observers with her. Too bad she just missed W.

Back to reality....how did they get away from the surrounded area? with less than 30 seconds, how did that get back to the car? The same car that was too dangerous to use just 4 minutes ago?

Peter needs to go on a.....



Season 5 Episode 5
An Origin Story


Why exactly are they hanging out in Etta's house? And taking their time in Etta's house. As Fringe agents, they KNOW the house would at minimum be under some form of surveillance. Yet, they appear to be doing some nice estate packing. Nonsensical.

Instead of destroying shipments of equipment to build the atmospheric equipment, how about destroying the MASSIVE atmospheric equipment. Seems they could do a pile of damage with the bombs Broyles gave them in his care package.

Good! Peter does want to go...



Look at the big brain on Brad. First Peter was able to fool around with the World Device Thingamajig and now he is going to be able to figure out tech from 1000s of years in the future.

Wait, so they caught the observer and his key from the site of the transfer BEFORE the opening transfer. Don't you think they would have changed the site, if they knew someone stole the key?

Observers have super strength. Widmark picked Etta up with one hand. How is that observer being restrained? Seems like he should be able to break free from that table restraint pretty easily. He is strapped down. Easy peasy, Japanesey.



Super scientist and marital counselor. Walter is a beast.

The wormhole opened and yet Peter waited....just long enough for the observers. Stupid writing. Why didn't he fire immediately?



So Peter plans to remove the implants and then somehow implant them into his head? Really? I get that he is fueled by rage but he is going to stab his brain not knowing if each chip is coded for each observer or even knowing the precise connections for the chip. There is no way he would know the implant would crawl into his spine on its own.

Season 5 Episode 46
Through The Looking Glass And What Walter Found There

I am getting some really weird search results from Bing today. Yeah, I use Bing. Been using it for several months now. I seem to get better animated gif results from Bing but today I am getting some twisted crap.



Even more time in Netta's place. Why not just move in since the observers aren't aware of Crime Surveillance 101.

If you were an Observer, wouldn't tracking be built into that little chip? Seems like a standard feature.

Here comes Coke's favorite bit with the dancing moves to switch dimensions.


or was it more of a...


Wasn't it going to destroy both universes to open a pocket universe?


He doesn't exercise, so how come Walter isn't 450 pounds. They guy is 100% controlled by food.

So there is some really tricky physics behind getting into the pocket universe but a bomb blast sends a guy into the pocket?


Sure hope Walter left the kid with some food and water.


I guess not.

I guess the whole physics of dancing around was garbage since the bomb victim got in and now the observers can walk straight in. If physics are all wonky, why are the observers able to teleport where they want to go? Shouldn't the distortions cause them to appear in the wall or floor.

Time for one of my pet peeve escape from surrounded building just like a bad guy on 24.

Now Peter is a world class shot like Olive.
Peter is the kwisatz haderach! Oh no! Peter's in the Matrix.

I'll post tomorrow