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Ghost Peter doesn't work for me. Either he exists or he doesn't. If he removed himself from time, then he is gone. Time travel and alternate reality paradoxes make my head hurt.

You should watch Interstellar.

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Wish Olivia would tell Nina to shut the F up and give her the files. We all know you have every last bit of info Nina.

I remember us bitching about that earlier in S1 and S2, about how Nina always has everything they need...she just literally doesn't offer anything until it's specifically asked for.

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By the way, none of this makes any sense whatsoever. None. If Peter removed himself from the timeline and if New Peter remembers the past, he should remember he removed himself from the timeline. Head hurts, too much nonsense going on.

To be fair, he doesn't KNOW that he removed himself...just that he got the two universes working together instead of trying to destroy each other. I don't think he knew that what he did would literally erase him from existence (at least in terms of those two universes).

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John Noble is so damn good at expressing emotion. Some actors are really horrible when tearing up or showing sadness. Noble is a beast.

Yes he is. That's one reason that watching him transition from hating Peter to respecting/almost loving him has been awesome these last few episodes.

I remember seeing JN in LotR and thinking "frick this dude...I don't think I could ever like him in any role ever because he's such an a-hole in this movie." And man, was I wrong.

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Pretty weak segue to get Peter back on the team. "we think this has something to do with you" blah blah blah. Not saying it won't have something to do with Peter but that was a pretty big Jump to Conclusions just so they can bring Peter into the group.

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Have we figured out what the heck Lincoln is up to? He isn't a full team member but he shows up sometimes. No real ryhme or reason to his appearances.

I think I said similar things about both of these in my comments on these episodes.

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Have they always had everyone's blood sample on record?

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Run of the mill monster of the week. So Walter creates invisibility in a lab rat. That should get more excitement. At this point the military would step in and take Walter away for good.

Yet another life/society-altering thing that happens and nobody even bats an eye at it.

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Other than someone thinking it would be a cool shot, why did the shifter run UP the bus instead of around it? From that vantage why would he have jumped into the path of that bus? He should have clearly seen the bus.

That definitely felt awkward, but I think it was just to show that they are, in fact, superhuman to certain degrees and are capable of doing cool shite like that that we aren't capable of.

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Oh great. Here we go again. Someone else (Peter) now uses his own technique to cross over. Wouldn't that cause more damage? Wouldn't that destroy whatever fix he made with the machine the first time?

If Walter still went to the other side to save Peter the 2nd, then what was the point of Peter erasing himself from the timeline? I know we discussed this before, but the whole machine plot is total crap. It makes no sense and you can't even force it to make any sense.

Plus, I thought the 2 worlds were working with each other after what Peter did. Peter just committed an act of war.

Yeah, it doesn't make much sense. Surely the universe(s) should be crumbling worse if they keep crossing over. No idea how to get around that plot discrepancy.

However, my guess with Peter and the machine is that maybe now he knows how it works or how to use it, so he can use it to get back to his timeline/universe without destroying anything.

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Oh come on. How would Peter's mom recognize her dead son all grown up?

I don't have kids, but I'd imagine that one look into his eyes and his mother would recognize him. I don't think that's farfetched at all. In fact, I think that's pretty accurate most likely.

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Not much to say about this one. If you let DRJ go, then what happens when you catch him again and he threatens to kill 200 people?

Yeah, he makes the whole "we don't negotiate with terrorists" thing get thrown out the window.

But it's still cool how many steps ahead of everyone else he is. It was awesome when he started handing out coded hundred dollar bills with his same frequency on them.

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Oh look. Another group able to hop over to another universe. I can't remember, what does DRJ want? Is he just seeking to destroy the universe?

Whoa! Completely forgot Nina was working with DRJ.

I don't remember either. I think in the next bath of episodes this week, we learn moer about Nina's involvement with everything and why she seems to be working with the bad guys. And I assume the same for AltBroyles as well, but I'm not sure.

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I don't know why charlie isn't alive in the alternate timeline.
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Cokes is happy he is still dead.

That is true.

But that's a good call though...I'm not sure why he wouldn't be there.

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There is absolutely no contrived way to make sense of Peter coming back. He removed himself. He should be gone forever. He died in both worlds thus he is dead.

Right. Both kids end up dying, so he shouldn't exist. But I think that's why there is an issue now...he vanished from both universes but is now in his original one, which is changed...like he exists outside of the universe...first as an apparition, and then as a full-fledged part of it, just with nobody else remembering that he ever existed outside of random dreams. So yeah, that doesn't make the most sense, for sure.

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It doesn't make sense. He needed to never have been born. Which is what I thought when he said he needed to remove himself from the timeline. If never born, Walter never crosses over to save alternate Peter. All Peter did was stop the observer from saving him but that was stupid because we already know it would lead to the whole breakup of the universes.

Yeah I don't follow that. I assume that it is discussed at length on some other forums. This is where we need people like Fear in here to sort this shite our for us since he always had a good grasp on things before.

It wouldn't take much for me to go along with a decent enough explanation. But on its surface, this doesn't make much sense at all.

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Once again, what the heck is Lincoln? Is on the team? Has his work on the shifter case ended. Did he get a promotion to Fringe Division without them telling us?

It's pretty hilarious how immediately they started trusting him. But at least we got that one throwaway line a while back about his clearance getting a lot higher. I'm cool with it.

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Nina and Massive Dynamic are always up to nefarious shite but Olive needs to back off. All they did was approach a chick exhibiting supernatural abilities. That isn't the same as testing risky drugs on young kids. No, it isn't abuse.

Yeah, and I really REALLY don't like this alternate reality of Nina having adopted Liv and her sister. Like, borderline hate it actually.

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Errr....Olivia...based on the massive bomb and the suicide vest, I'm pretty sure he is quite ready to die today.

Hated that too.

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The observers sure aren't that observant if they are just now finding out that Pete is back.

That's what I'm screaming...they shouldn't have to tell each other shite either.

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Even if we go 100% along with the two universes merging in one spot, what does that have to do with them not being able to leave?

Yeah, they never really explain what is going on with why they're stuck in a loop or whatever. And once the universe collision happens, everything is just okay after that and Fringe team can roll on in? Whatever, I still liked the episode a lot.

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Pretty clear these guys are responsible for the problems.

I used to love that movie.

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Hit that Peter!

Agreed.

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I didn't like how the girl died at the end but I guess it makes sense why it had to happen. She did all of this stuff than suddenly just died.

Yeah it made sense that the very reason she could foresee those things was the same thing that pushed her body over the edge and killed her. I thought that was cool.

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could this be another peter loop hole? I mean sure he can see all times at once, but peter can't be seen by him thus creating something he can't see meaning he would be caught. Maybe he choose to be caught IDK.

I took it as he could only halfway understand or use September's little blue device thing. So he could foresee certain things about certain people. Like when he had it on/near him in the TSA line, he would only write down certain peoples' names if the device reacted or something like that. It's not like he is an Observer and could use the device like they can. Of course, at the end he pulls the September stunt and started mimicking his mom's statements, so who knows.

Another part was the whole thing with his mother and how she wished he had died and not his twin brother. So he was killing himself (suicide by cop) so she could stop wishing that and he could see her in Heaven (why he got them to shoot him instead of shooting himself like they mentioned).

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There Nine (now 10) straight posts...I am finally caught up on this thread.

Awaiting responses/discussion.

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It's not like he is an Observer and could use the device like they can. Of course, at the end he pulls the September stunt and started mimicking his mom's statements, so who knows.

he may have gained the observers skills as he got more experienced with them. So at first his talent was limited and near his death he was almost like the observer, maybe laking the ability to travel through time itself.

IDK.

Also exam week over

I can easily watch and comment on episodes as I watch. I have a different set up, so I can watch fringe on the TV with a smart TV and comment on my computer as I watch. I'll have all 3 watched by Monday easily.

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Don't have my Fun Dental Surgery until Wednesday so I am still a bit slowed down. After that I should be better about replying to posts.

Might try to post some replies to Cokes tomorrow.
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Season 4 Episode 13
A Better Human Being

I still don't quite understand what Peter knows. He seems to remember the machine and everything up to getting in the machine.

He wants to get back to his universe but I don't quite understand why he hasn't come up with the theory that this IS his universe with the changes he made to it.

Which is the same beef I have with everyone helping him when his changes will wipe them out of existence just like Fauxlivia's baby.

Would suck if Fauxlivia started remembering her child who disappeared from existence.

Is Walter going to bust Nina? Was he thinking Cortexiphan when he lost his train of thought.

Lincoln doing the real work while the rest of the gang plays with science.

There is that pesky blood database. Sometimes it has everyone in the database other times it is missing people. It can't be both. It can't have random strangers in one episode and then not have random people in the next.

Walter giving Peter the stink eye for playing patty cakes with Olivia.

This is about the 3rd time Olivia has tried to set up a Booty Call. Roll with it Peter.

Peter can't catch a break. He finally thinks he has the all clear and someone kidnaps Olive.

Damn. I completely forgot that Nina was also kidnapped. I guess a shifter is in her place at MD.
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Season 4 Episode 14
The End of All Things

Lincoln cockblocking in all realities. Lincoln is talking to a guy who doesn't exist but appeared in a lake after an attack by an energy being. Quit saying what is possible or impossible Lincoln.

Walter is being a dick for no real reason. It isn't like Peter's memories kidnapped Olivia. Also, Peter's memories didn't dose Olive.

Wonder if the obvious is a trick. Is real Nina in MD and they are using a shifter to fool Olive.

Glad someone mentions that we have no clue why DRJ is doing what he is doing?

Here we go again. Walking around someone's brain like it is a holodeck with perfect clarity.

Not much consistency on what Peter remembers and doesn't remember. If he remembers everything up to getting in the machine, he should remember his kid who he wiped out of existence.

Oh Peter. Quit letting Walter and Lincoln get in your head.

Damn you September, all you did was confuse the hell out of Peter. Right back to his timeline crap.
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Season 4 Episode 15
A Short Story About Love

Is this the first time we have seen a shifter who didn't kill the person they were doppleganging?

I can't remember. Do the hybrid shifters use the same technology that attaches to the back of a persons mouth?

Is there any explanation for the Nina Shifter or are we just supposed to look the other way?

Wow. We got some torture and now some date rape. Fringe is mirroring the headlines. Yikes! That was horrifying.

Back off Lincoln!

By the way, shouldn't the Fringe department have been alerted after the very first total dehydration death? Heck, they weren't even alerted after the second death. That sure looks like it has fringe written all over it even without the spousal murders.

So September stores his briefcase in a hidden location but doesn't lock the briefcase....

Quickly being totally dehydrated is yet another way I don't want to go!

All of these monster of the week episodes have one thing in common. We just about never learn how the monster came into the knowledge to do the crazy arse things they do.

How many people did pheromone rapist have to kill before he even perfected his technique? There should be dehydrated dead folks strewn all across the north east.

I'm confused. Why was he killing the women? I guess it was just so he could get away and continue his tests.

Don't have a clue where this is going with Olive. I forget how we get back to the normal universes.

From that pic, it is clear he hops back into a machine.

Ohhhhhhh... Thanks September. Thanks for letting Pete know he is already in the right spot.

Now....go get some Pete.

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Might try to post some replies to Cokes tomorrow.

Would be nice since we basically haven't discussed much in the last three+ weeks.

I'll post my thoughts on these last three episodes soon. And OP is updated for the new assignment for this week.

I thought these last three eps were fantastic.

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I'm ready to discuss I'll have my comments up by this afternoon.

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Episode 13
So Peter and Olivia are going to fall in love again by Olivia remembering that she was in love with Peter so that means Olivia’s alternate reality memories are going to take over her current ones. I can’t remember exactly what happens
Crazy Kid is not really crazy because the voice in his head are real. IDK but if this wasn’t fringe Walter may be put back in a mental institution

More of her memories coming back

Yeah I knew he was in the correct place. That I’m in an alternate timeline was BS. But how this is possible I have no idea. How could this timeline be different but the correct timelines is mixing it’s way back in if it isn’t an alternate timeline.
Of-course Peter doesn’t believe he is in the correct timeline.
Yeah I don’t buy Walter’s theory.
Now I wonder will the same memory recalling happen to Walter, Astro and others.
Something about walter making random drinks and food just makes me laugh.
Recent cortexephan

Told yeah Walters theory was wrong

Walter drinking what he isn’t sure what it is

Either Nina is lying or there is a shapeshifter, not sure why they want Olivia to have cortexiphan in her system.
Well that question was answer pretty quickly. Nina shapeshifter

Episode 14
They got bugs on her
Don’t listen to lilcon peter he is completely wrong.
Oh yeah DRJ episode

I remember this part, that isn’t Nina I don’t think, not sure if I want to trust the real Nina or not.
Observers
All this nina stuff is confusing, should I trust her, not trust her, can we trust her.
More mixing of memories
September
They are going into his mind? Oh my this is exciting.
So the observers are making sure that their reality happen? Wow crazy man crazy
Ok another time travel paradox or something. So henry doesn’t exist, but the fact that the machine worked at all, or many other things. I’m still not buying this alternate timeline thing and how exactly it works.
Observers just disappear.
Who the F is that?
Oh boy they got peter, so September wants all of that to happen? Sounds like a jerk.
Episode 15
Now she is forgetting stuff in her own timeline? Wow
So a crazy deformed face guy walks into your house and you want to kiss him, than he suffocates you with tin foil? Find this hard to believe this would really go down like this.
ASTRO!!!!!!!
Ok so it’s their dead husband, still don’t believe it would actually go down like this.
Scooby Do in the background, that is great.
Did Peter not realize there was something in his eye?
Did walter just eat part of the extreme dehydrated human? Or did he just eat a potato chip to make it look that way?
How did the couple not reqognize this guys creepy face, I mean he is pretty deformed and they act like he is just like everyone else. Maybe they are extremely friendly but I just find it hard to believe this guy could simply stand outside without anyone freaking out around him.
Yeah that is a pretty gruesome way to die. This monster is pretty crazy.
I remember this cylinder thing but I don’t remember it’s significance.
Is this guy punishing guys who have had an affair?
Finally a proper response to this crazy guy, well maybe not. Even if you realized this was your long lost husband or something, why would you even want to touch him?
Why does it seem like no-one even has a hint that maybe peter is wrong and maybe this isn’t some alternate timeline?
September again. What is going on?
Love is the explanation of everything?

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Peter mentions in a earlier episodes that the observers exist throughout all time at the same moment. If September died Wouldn't he still be alive

maybe September had to be half dead to show him what he wanted to show him

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Wow. We got some torture and now some date rape. Fringe is mirroring the headlines. Yikes! That was horrifying.

I agree that the trying to figure out the scent of love came off as a rapist

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Adding my comments now. I will respond tomorrow to others...bout to leave work in a little bit for a dentist appointment.

A Better Human Being

Every time I see this title, I get that "Real human being" song from Drive stuck in my head, and now it's been there for almost a day.

Why wouldn't Liv want a doc (or Walter) to take a look at her? Clearly something is going way wrong with her...stop being so fricking stubborn. She sounds like my dad.

So Liv almost completely remembers now. I don't remember if this is how the Peter thing gets fixed or not..

Walter, stop cockblocking, brah. Let Peter and Liv "work things out."

Nina = still shady. Link and Walter about to bust her arse. That was a cool scene the way they played that (knowing now that it was the real Nina and she was confused).

Small, but why were they using flashlights at the storage facility? It was pretty well lit, and they even turned them off once they found the right one (which you'd think was when they'd need to turn them on).

If this kid can hear things in real time, then why is Astrid, and only Astrid, with him? Shouldn't there be some higher-level agents with him with teams on call depending on the information he provided? Seems weird to just have he and Astrid sitting alone in an empty cafeteria for something this important.

Aww shite, Liv's about to get tooken...

Yup.

Walter's sense of taste is insane. Potassium iodide with red #4 food coloring, just be dabbing a little bit onto his tongue? That may be the most impressive thing ever from him, including jumping universes and invisibility and all that.

I'm kinda starting to remember this Nina thing a little bit...

The End of All Things

Now Link is onto Peter about Liv? Even admits that it isn't Peter doing anything intentionally but still is blaming hiim and getting pissed? Cold blooded. All these people need to back the frick up off of Peter and quite throwing shade.

Link: "She's my partner!" What? Are they actually partners now? Link got hella promoted in record time.

So is Nina a shapeshifter? If so, she'd have to be dead, right? Unless that changed somehow.

David Robert Motherfricking Jones!!

I love DRJ.

So there goes what I just said..hahaa. So this is the real Nina and the kidnapped one is the imposter I assume. I think I do remember that now..

This is the second episode in a row where someone literally tells someone else that they "have to go pee." I don't know why, but that seems really random and weird to me.

September, WTF?

Smart move, Liv...get her to tell a story from childhood to call her on her bullshite. Nice work.

YESSSS!!!!! The cosmos box with September! I thought that came later in the series for whatever reason (maybe S5?).

So Observers are evolved humans. Goes back to what I said about a certain recent movie.

Explanation of the serum, him saving Peter at the lake, and Walter crossing over. And then he mentions Peter and Fauxliv's baby. And the baby ceased to exist just like Peter did once he used the maching.

This is the most helpful episode ever.

So September is saying that this Liv is the "real" Liv. How is that possible?

IIRC, Liv is about to cortexiphan her way right out of this facility with Peter. Yup.

Boo ending...just roll with her, Peter. She's the same Liv.

Awesome episode.

A Short Story About Love

I really hate the whole "Nina fostered Liv and her sister" thing. HATE.

How could September move so fast the other Observers couldn't see it? I don't get that at all..

I feel like Liv looks extra good lately for some reason.

Ole Link is upset about being hella frienzoned. Hilarious.

So Peter just strolls into Septembers office (or whatever) and just knows how to use his tolls and equipment? Okay..

I love how they are basically hiding out in the open in that lady's living room. Lincoln is literally just standing next to some cabinets.

And they're talking to her as well, so anybody staking the place for more than 10 seconds would know that she's talking to someone.

I love it when people on TV and in movies always think it's no big deal when one of their exterior doors in their house is just left open. I'd immediately go into panic mode.

"I can smell that you're in love." Okay, weirdo.

I don't really understand at all how this is his Olivia...I hope that gets explained (which I am sure it will...it has to).

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Why wouldn't Liv want a doc (or Walter) to take a look at her? Clearly something is going way wrong with her...stop being so fricking stubborn. She sounds like my dad.

Well, she is slowly losing her mind and that is unsettling and you probably don't want to jump out and say, hey...I'm losing my mind. Sure, if anyone can fix it, Walter is the man for the job.

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Walter, stop cockblocking, brah. Let Peter and Liv "work things out."

Walter and Lincoln. The whole Walter thing felt forced. Especially after she was kidnapped and they knew she had been dosed. Really hard to fault Peter with anything. Heck, he could have hit it and quit it 3 times.

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Nina = still shady.

Nina is always out for Nina (Bell). I probably halfway remembered the kidnapped Nina was a fake, but the real Nina's shock was some good acting on her part.

I wonder what happened to Bell in this timeline.

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Small, but why were they using flashlights at the storage facility? It was pretty well lit, and they even turned them off once they found the right one (which you'd think was when they'd need to turn them on).

Lighting always pisses me off. Just think back to Seven. When they are looking around the psycho's apartment. They walk in and turn the lights on and then they use flashlights and you still can't see shite. Really pisses me off to this day.

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and only Astrid

Isn't she a full blown agent. I don't see her as being unable to do the job.

I love how he drank it and nobody said anything. Just Walter being Walter. Amazing he lived as long as he did.

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All these people need to back the frick up off of Peter and quite throwing shade.

Lincoln is the king of shade. CBlocking in all realities.

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So is Nina a shapeshifter? If so, she'd have to be dead, right? Unless that changed somehow.

Yeah, they got to cute with the dueling Ninas. She is the first person we have seen who is still alive after a shifter takeover. I can't remember if they hybrids use the same technology. Think we are probably just supposed to look away. Nothing to see here.

I like the actor who plays DRJ but I still have no clue what he was trying to do or what his motivation is. Not sure we find out

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The cosmos box with September!

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The effects were neat and the episode was a quick catch up to people who hadn't watched the whole series, but I am not a fan of the entering minds and seeing things perfectly.

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So Observers are evolved humans. Goes back to what I said about a certain recent movie.

Just as many time travel flaws here as in Interstellar.

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How could September move so fast the other Observers couldn't see it? I don't get that at all

Maybe their time gizmos were set for that level of movement since humans can't move that fast. they assumed September was near death so their gizmos probably weren't set to catch it.

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Ole Link is upset about being hella frienzoned. Hilarious.

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I love how they are basically hiding out in the open in that lady's living room.

If he had showed up he would have left. They sure weren't hiding.

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I love it when people on TV and in movies always think it's no big deal when one of their exterior doors in their house is just left open. I'd immediately go into panic mode.

Drove me nuts on Everybody Loves Raymond when they would initiate sex with the bedroom door wide open.

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I hope that gets explained

With all the other giant holes, I am not sure we will get any better explanation. Peter somehow erased that he survived but because of LOVE.... it didn't take. Yadda yadda yadda.

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I can’t remember exactly what happens

No clue. I really don't remember much of this.

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Yeah I knew he was in the correct place.

Been saying it for a while now that there was no reason to believe the machine would do anything other than wipe out the current timeline if Peter gets back in.

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Now I wonder will the same memory recalling happen to Walter, Astro and others.

I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet. Sure he has intense love for Olivia and vice vera, but it is Walter's intense love that started this mess so I am surprised he hasn't started recovering memories. Heck, he was the first one to start seeing visions of Peter.

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Well that question was answer pretty quickly. Nina shapeshifter

I like the twist here but at the same time don't like it because the shifters aren't using the same technology as all other shifts.

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Don’t listen to lilcon peter he is completely wrong.

Cockblocking. He knows he is wrong. He is trying to rain on Pete's parade.

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not sure if I want to trust the real Nina or not

Can't trust her. Nina is out for Nina although that probably changes somewhat in season 5.

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Ok another time travel paradox or something. So henry doesn’t exist, but the fact that the machine worked at all, or many other things. I’m still not buying this alternate timeline thing and how exactly it works.

Time travel shows are always full of problems. One reason why I wasn't actually a fan of the finale.

Similar to flaws in Watchmen, Observers being able to move through time unaffected, means they should be able to prevent any outcome they seek to stop.

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So a crazy deformed face guy walks into your house and you want to kiss him, than he suffocates you with tin foil? Find this hard to believe this would really go down like this.

this was a weak story. Don't see how the pheromones would make a person see the dead spouse. I guess it is possible in the Fringe world but it was a tad weak. Also no real reason to kill the wives. He was just using them as test subjects. His whole reasoning for doing what he did didn't make much sense.

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Did walter just eat part of the extreme dehydrated human?

It was a chip and I laughed that in the middle of a gross autopsy he was eating....as usual.

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Finally a proper response to this crazy guy, well maybe not. Even if you realized this was your long lost husband or something, why would you even want to touch him?

Yeah. Weak.

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Love is the explanation of everything?

All you need is love. I bet if we look back in time, somewhere in 66 or 67, we would see an observer (September) speaking with John Lennon.

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Posted on 12/15/14 at 9:28 pm to TigerMyth36

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Don't have my Fun Dental Surgery until Wednesday so I am still a bit slowed down. After that I should be better about replying to posts.

I go to the dentist tomorrow, do we all have dentist appointments this week?

10am tomorrow I will feel 100 bucks better. I hate going to the dentist.

Another thing is it just me or have the monsters of the week kinda sucked recently. We want to know more about the machine, Nina shapeshifter and if we can actually trust real nina, what is going on with september, I could go on and on. No-one cares about some deformed supposedly dead husband who is killing people by dehydrating them.

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Posted on 12/15/14 at 9:35 pm to TigerMyth36

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Time travel shows are always full of problems. One reason why I wasn't actually a fan of the finale.

yeah it is difficult to get something that has yet to happen in reality, and if it is even possible.

Even Intersteller which did a decent Job with their time travel things had a major plot hole. If there is a time travel loop, meaning that it couldn't happen in the first place. If something in the future must cause something in the past it can never happen. For example if X must cause C you have an absurdity. If X can't exist without C than X can never cause C.

to much to think about. Back to the saints game.

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Posted on 12/17/14 at 11:37 am to TigerMyth36

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I still don't quite understand what Peter knows. He seems to remember the machine and everything up to getting in the machine.

He wants to get back to his universe but I don't quite understand why he hasn't come up with the theory that this IS his universe with the changes he made to it.

Which is the same beef I have with everyone helping him when his changes will wipe them out of existence just like Fauxlivia's baby.

Would suck if Fauxlivia started remembering her child who disappeared from existence.

Yeah, it makes sense that he knows everything, because in a way, he was operating similar to the Observers...outside of time basically. It's his universe but since he was "erased" (or at least partially), then certain things are different.

Of course, that still doesn't remotely explain how or why things like Nina adopting Liv happened and stuff like that, but whatevs.

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This is about the 3rd time Olivia has tried to set up a Booty Call. Roll with it Peter.

That's what the frick I'm screaming..

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Lincoln cockblocking in all realities. Lincoln is talking to a guy who doesn't exist but appeared in a lake after an attack by an energy being. Quit saying what is possible or impossible Lincoln.

Really is crazy what they believe one minute and can't believe the next. Like you've said before, Walter is literally creating life-altering things (not to mention military-altering technology), and people aren't batting an eye, but then they want to not believe that a scientist can create an instinct bug out of thin air? It's very inconsistent.

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Not much consistency on what Peter remembers and doesn't remember. If he remembers everything up to getting in the machine, he should remember his kid who he wiped out of existence.

Yeah, no idea why he wouldn't remember Henry.

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Here we go again. Walking around someone's brain like it is a holodeck with perfect clarity.

I liked that part a lot though.

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Is there any explanation for the Nina Shifter or are we just supposed to look the other way?

Hopefully there is at least a throwaway line about how the new shifter technology allows them to shift into someone without killing them. I mean, Broyles specifically says that it can't be Nina because she'd be dead (from the SS).

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So September stores his briefcase in a hidden location but doesn't lock the briefcase....

That whole sequence bugged me. I hated how Peter can just know how to use this shite. I know he's smart and borderline genius, and even comes from genius genes from Walter, but damn.

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Posted on 12/17/14 at 11:46 am to catholictigerfan

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So Peter and Olivia are going to fall in love again by Olivia remembering that she was in love with Peter so that means Olivia’s alternate reality memories are going to take over her current ones. I can’t remember exactly what happens

Me either, but I have to admit I'm pretty pumped about it.

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How could this timeline be different but the correct timelines is mixing it’s way back in if it isn’t an alternate timeline.

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Now I wonder will the same memory recalling happen to Walter, Astro and others.

I don't remember that either.

It's both refreshing and weird that I have forgotten so much about this show. I remember when it was airing that sometimes I'd go weeks without watching them, so I'd have to catch up on three or four episodes some weeks. And I remember being confused by a lot of things about the show as well, most of which I have corrected this go round. But it's kinda cool remembering the show, but not remembering enough that watching episodes still feels sort of new and fresh. I've really enjoyed this rewatch so far.

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not sure if I want to trust the real Nina or not.

I don't think I would. She never (ever) is completely forthright about anything until she absolutely has to be...and even then she still sometimes hides shite. Shady bitch, no question.

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So a crazy deformed face guy walks into your house and you want to kiss him, than he suffocates you with tin foil? Find this hard to believe this would really go down like this.

Just wanted to point out that seran wrap =/= tin foil.

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d walter just eat part of the extreme dehydrated human? Or did he just eat a potato chip to make it look that way?

Potato chip.

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I remember this cylinder thing but I don’t remember it’s significance.

Same here. But I assume it has something to do with Peter correcting shite.

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Why does it seem like no-one even has a hint that maybe peter is wrong and maybe this isn’t some alternate timeline?

Yeah, they tend to just sort of automatically believe him. But I guess he's proven to be right about most things, and even knows things that he shouldn't have been able to know. So they are rolling with it.

Your comments are hard to decipher sometimes.

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Posted on 12/17/14 at 11:48 am to jamsmiley

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Peter mentions in a earlier episodes that the observers exist throughout all time at the same moment. If September died Wouldn't he still be alive

I'm not sure how that works...but clearly they exist sort of "outside of time" or whatever, so they do actually exist, hence why they can die. I guess they can just access things at any given point in time and use their knowledge and power to affect things to chart courses of time that they desire, like September attaching himself to Peter and Walter and basically creating the whole premise of the show.

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