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Frontline.. Syrian conflict
Posted on 5/27/14 at 10:46 pm
Posted on 5/27/14 at 10:46 pm
I really have fallen off recently in keeping up with not only the Syrian conflict but others on that side of the world..
So I watched tonight simply to glean some new perspectives and info.. What I came away was not surprising but interesting in its undertone.. The general sense seems to be that we are arming the rebels only in the hopes of prolonging the conflict, to occupy the rebels and Assad in hopes of a long term stalemate. The rebels seem to be aware of this and showed a level of disappointment in what we have done and provided versus what we have told them..
I found it interesting considering this has been out of the headlines recently but also a dangerous model of support.
So I watched tonight simply to glean some new perspectives and info.. What I came away was not surprising but interesting in its undertone.. The general sense seems to be that we are arming the rebels only in the hopes of prolonging the conflict, to occupy the rebels and Assad in hopes of a long term stalemate. The rebels seem to be aware of this and showed a level of disappointment in what we have done and provided versus what we have told them..
I found it interesting considering this has been out of the headlines recently but also a dangerous model of support.
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Posted on 5/27/14 at 10:59 pm to TROLA
The minimal level of arming we're providing + how late in the stage of conflict we are taking concrete action is almost tantamount to foreign policy via Twitter hashtags. This is a political move, devoid of any clear military or strategic objectives. Guess Barry is tired of getting his arse handed to him on the world stage. Too bad this is little more than a weak attempt to exert influence.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:00 pm to TROLA
IMO, Assad is probably gonna come out on top in Syria, the US will quietly fade out of the scene.
The obama lap dogs will quietly sweep it under the rug and continue the obama love fest.
The obama lap dogs will quietly sweep it under the rug and continue the obama love fest.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:01 pm to TROLA
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The general sense seems to be that we are arming the rebels only in the hopes of prolonging the conflict, to occupy the rebels and Assad in hopes of a long term stalemate. T
This basically what I said I hoped would happen in all of the threads on here.
I hope the crazy Russians and jihadists fight forever.
This post was edited on 5/27/14 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:16 pm to Stingray
We truly only half arse it it arming them, we are giving them tow anti tank guns, Russian arms including automatic weapons, mortars and some limited small rockets akin to mortars.. What I did find interesting is that we are in small batches, training them in other countries but are not training or providing any anti aircraft support.. That's the thing they won't the most.
I won't pretend to really have an answer as to what we should be doing but eventually we will just piss off the rebels and I get the sense that even the moderates despise us and feel used. Not a good policy IMO. I feel like the whole conflict is beyond our current capabilities and reach, leading to the conclusion that we should have stayed out of it from the beginning.
I won't pretend to really have an answer as to what we should be doing but eventually we will just piss off the rebels and I get the sense that even the moderates despise us and feel used. Not a good policy IMO. I feel like the whole conflict is beyond our current capabilities and reach, leading to the conclusion that we should have stayed out of it from the beginning.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:53 pm to Rohan2Reed
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The minimal level of arming we're providing + how late in the stage of conflict we are taking concrete action is almost tantamount to foreign policy via Twitter hashtags.
Not at all. We are spending very little to prolong a conflict while our adversaries in Russia and Iran are investing quite a bit of political capital and funds. No matter who 'wins' the civil war, the US does not come out ahead. We are taking the only course which benefits us, despite how tragic it is for the Syrian people.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:54 pm to TROLA
The Syrian conflict epitomizes how convoluted middle eastern politics really is.
This is where the lines are drawn:
Pro Assad
Russia
Iran
Hezbollah
China (kinda but not really)
Pro Insurgency
Al Qaeda
"The West"
Saudi and almost the entire Arab World
It's an indicator of how much Sunni's really hate the Shiite's. The US will certainly be on the right side of history by supporting Sunni regimes (such as Saudi).
This is where the lines are drawn:
Pro Assad
Russia
Iran
Hezbollah
China (kinda but not really)
Pro Insurgency
Al Qaeda
"The West"
Saudi and almost the entire Arab World
It's an indicator of how much Sunni's really hate the Shiite's. The US will certainly be on the right side of history by supporting Sunni regimes (such as Saudi).
This post was edited on 5/27/14 at 11:56 pm
Posted on 5/28/14 at 4:46 am to econ85
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The US will certainly be on the right side of history by supporting Sunni regimes (such as Saudi).
We haven't chosen a Sunni/Shiite "side." We've opposed a Shiite-led government in Iran, but not because they are Shiite. We've opposed Sunni groups elsewhere, including AQ and its affiliates.
This post was edited on 5/28/14 at 4:47 am
Posted on 5/28/14 at 6:30 am to econ85
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The US will certainly be on the right side of history by supporting Sunni regimes (such as Saudi).
Good post. The Saudis have enough money to fund the rebels. Let them do it.
I'm still of the belief Assad gets a kick in the head from us after the midterm elections.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 10:17 am to Lakeboy7
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I'm still of the belief Assad gets a kick in the head from us after the midterm elections.
Why? That would make no sense. We have nothing to gain.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 10:28 am to TROLA
Vice TV has quite a few good videos as well. The freedom fighters are entrenched and will remain entrenched until they are dead or Assad goes. One really has to admire their poise being in such a shitty position.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 10:58 am to idlewatcher
The more Odummy meddles in the Arab's and muslims business the more I suspect his reasoning is to create havoc in the region, on purpose, so as to destabilize the region.
His foreign policy is nonsensical.
FRONTLINE IS LIBERAL PROPAGANDA.
His foreign policy is nonsensical.
FRONTLINE IS LIBERAL PROPAGANDA.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:03 am to S.E.C. Crazy
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FRONTLINE IS LIBERAL PROPAGANDA.
I'm a conservative and I think they put out the most non-biased documentaries.
There doc on the banking collapse was amazing and so was the recent one on the NSA.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 1:32 pm to TROLA
Well, we have the choice to arm AQ in Syria...or Nazis in the Western Ukraine. It's a mess. 
If there is any hope, it's Israel. They will take care of Iran, when the Mullahs get that bomb and make a threatening move.
If there is any hope, it's Israel. They will take care of Iran, when the Mullahs get that bomb and make a threatening move.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 2:23 pm to RCDfan1950
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If there is any hope, it's Israel.
Interesting that you mentioned Israel. In these Vice videos, the FSA kept mentioning how much they hated the US AND Israel. Kind of ironic if you ask me.
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