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re: Official Belmont Thread.

Posted on 6/6/14 at 10:52 pm to
Posted by Bho
Lexington
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Posted on 6/6/14 at 10:52 pm to
Posted by Monkeyboy
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
763 posts
Posted on 6/7/14 at 12:05 am to
Stay away from Wicked Strong then. Beyer just jinxed him picking him to win.
Posted by SoGaFan
Member since Jan 2008
5956 posts
Posted on 6/7/14 at 1:01 am to
Honestly, everyone keeps pumping up the Wood Memorial, but that is the only decent race Wicked Strong has run in a long while. His trouble in the Derby was pretty average for the race.

I have decided to play against Tonalist. Even though the breeding says distance, if you look at his races, he doesn't finish especially well. Being the lone speed in a muddy race will almost always net a horse a win, especially against average.

I think the key to the Belmont is how one looks at the Chrome's Derby. Going in everyone was bemoaning that his work schedule seemed too easy going, and I remember reading somewhere Art Sherman says they were deliberately training him with a deeper eastern track in mind. I don't think the screws were completely tightened on Chrome. The Preakness was the tightener race. He had to work for it, and by the way he has been training at Belmont, he has moved up from it. On the opposite end of the spectrum, I think Ride On Curlin's Preakness was his peak effort and he will fall back.

My final thoughts on the Belmont include a little mood reading. It seems that the Shermans have become a bit more nervous and edgy the closer the race gets. I know this will sound arse backwards, but I think this means they KNOW the horse is sitting on go and really does have a great shot at WINNING a TRIPLE CROWN, a thought that is just blowing their minds at the moment.

I just get a feeling that if the horse wasn't giving them good signals, they would be much more loose about the whole affair because they would already know the outcome wasn't like to be perfect for them.

May they all come home safe tomorrow, and I hope everyone has a good day at the track or watching on TV.

Posted by PANTHER
Bunkie
Member since Oct 2004
2267 posts
Posted on 6/7/14 at 7:27 am to
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Reading Beyer's article today. He is such a bitter soul

In my opinion, such that it is everything he said is false.

Chrome was not tiring in the Derby and ROB was not gonna catch him.

those that are familiar with Beyer what's his problem?
Posted by stlslick
St.Louis,Mo
Member since Nov 2012
14054 posts
Posted on 6/7/14 at 7:41 am to
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Chrome was not tiring in the Derby


yes he was Watch his legs, not the jockey. He was stating to labor the last 100. Not drained but tiring.

let's also add, that no horse in past 30+ years has been given such an easy time in his races. Never had to check, never caught traffic, was able to do as he pleased. He's caught every break and the perfect trip every race. The speed never sent, fractions in neither were fast. He's got the perfect trip in both races.

Won't happen Today, he will have to work if he's to win. No more golden trips.
Posted by Bho
Lexington
Member since Dec 2007
24804 posts
Posted on 6/7/14 at 7:49 am to
Yeah I'm sure any gambler will tell you that betting against a horse because you think he will get a bad trip isn't good business. And Beyer states his problem. He's old school. He doesn't think horses today are anywhere near the level of the 70's and doesn't want any to join the immortal list. Fwiw it's also pretty stupid to think a horse will get a terrible trip in a field of 11. I want him to win by 10 today so I can shove it some of you idiot's asses.
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
43432 posts
Posted on 6/7/14 at 8:05 am to
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Small hijack, ill probably be out at evd the 21st if you'll be there. :)



off topic but did you see colby hernandez's sister is a jockey now? she is soooo tiny. won a nice12-1 win bet on her thursday night!
Posted by PANTHER
Bunkie
Member since Oct 2004
2267 posts
Posted on 6/7/14 at 8:09 am to
I am sure they were all tiring but Curve cut the lead because Victor let off the gas
Posted by PANTHER
Bunkie
Member since Oct 2004
2267 posts
Posted on 6/7/14 at 8:09 am to
I am sure they were all tiring but Curve cut the lead because Victor let off the gas
Posted by Aspercel
Member since Jan 2009
105441 posts
Posted on 6/7/14 at 10:24 am to
Anybody playing the card today?
Posted by Aspercel
Member since Jan 2009
105441 posts
Posted on 6/7/14 at 10:56 am to
Well, shite. Pj just made sure chrome loses.


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Posted by dukke v on 6/7 at 10:50 am to Aspercel
ASPY!!!!!!!!!!!!


CHROME!!!!!! For the WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Posted by VermilionTiger
Member since Dec 2012
37549 posts
Posted on 6/7/14 at 11:05 am to
How many horses are running in the main race?

ETA - Damn..only 11
This post was edited on 6/7/14 at 11:08 am
Posted by northLAgoomba
The Cooper Road, Ratchet City, LA
Member since Nov 2009
3787 posts
Posted on 6/7/14 at 11:13 am to
Kid Cruz
Posted by Samso
nyc
Member since Jun 2013
4723 posts
Posted on 6/7/14 at 11:46 am to
Just re-watched the 04 Belmont. I'm not getting my heart ripped out again. Keeping my expectations very low.

COME ON CHROME!!!
Posted by CaptainJ47
Gonzales
Member since Nov 2007
7331 posts
Posted on 6/7/14 at 11:48 am to
Here is what I plan on wagering. Look, I think Chrome can do it. However, I don't think he does. I am also playing the odds on a larger payday.

I don't see a ton of quality out there. I am honestly debating getting rid of Ride on Curlin in the top slot on all of these, but the risk reward is pretty minimal. It cost me an extra $12 or so to keep him in there, but I have little conviction he wins.

$1 exacta with 4,5,9,11 over 2,4,5,9,11

$0.50 trifecta with 4,5,9,11 over 2,4,5,9,11 over 2,4,5,9,11

$0.10 superfecta with 4,5,9,11 over 2,4,5,9,11, over 2,4,5,9,11, over 2,4,5,9,11

If Chrome wins I will be happy for him, the owner, and the sport. It really is a feel good story. I just have a hard time throwing him in with some of the sport's best. Most importantly, while I want to win today, I want all the horses and riders to have a safe trip.

Good luck everyone!
Posted by Monkeyboy
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
763 posts
Posted on 6/7/14 at 11:48 am to
Here's my take on the race. Matterhorn and Matuszak don't belong with this class of horses so they are immediate toss outs for me. I agree with everything SoGaFan said about Wicked Strong and Tonalist, and they will be over-bet, so I'm not using them. I want horses with value in my exotics. Commissioner is a toss for similar reasons as Tonalist. I think Ride On Curlin is going bounce this race, so I'm not using him. This leaves 5 horses. I think the pace is going to be honest, so I'm leaning less towards closer type horses like Commanding Curve and more towards horses that stick around the lead or middle of the race, regardless of the 1 1/2 mile distance (Brisnet indicates that early speed horses win 43% of the route races on dirt at Belmont). I have liked Samraat all spring, but I just don't know if he can make the distance of the Belmont. I don't think Medal Count is fast enough to win the Belmont, but his breeding suggests he should at least be able to handle the distance. I liked General a Rod as a 2 year old and I think he is improving, and I also have a gut feeling he is going to run a good race. I thought since April that California Chrome was the best 3 year old in the country, and he hasn't proven me wrong yet, so I'm sticking with him. I'm thinking CC for the win, General a Rod place, Medal Count show, Samraat 4th. I was originally thinking about keying CC to win in the trifecta and box Medal Count, General a Rod, and Samraat for place show. But I'll probably box those first three in a trifecta because I'm not as confident about CC winning the Belmont as I was the Kentucky Derby and Preakness due to the distance of the race. Now I probably jinxed these horses so bet accordingly.
Posted by Aspercel
Member since Jan 2009
105441 posts
Posted on 6/7/14 at 11:58 am to
Damn. Norumbega just helped me out big time in the contest.
Posted by au21tigers
Thursday
Member since Nov 2009
12548 posts
Posted on 6/7/14 at 12:44 pm to
Ready to see history
Posted by PANTHER
Bunkie
Member since Oct 2004
2267 posts
Posted on 6/7/14 at 12:48 pm to
Yep the three posters I have the most faith in picked Chrome, ASPY, BHO, SOGAFAN. Surely they can't all be wrong.
This post was edited on 6/7/14 at 12:49 pm
Posted by Aspercel
Member since Jan 2009
105441 posts
Posted on 6/7/14 at 12:48 pm to
Social inclusion behaving so far for the 5th. Maybe I shouldn't have left him off...
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