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90 Man Roster Depth Chart 6/3/14
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:15 pm
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:15 pm
Offense
QB
Drew Brees
Luke McCown
Ryan Griffin
Logan Kilgore
HB
Pierre Thomas
Mark Ingram
Khiry Robinson
Travaris Cadet
Tim Flanders
Derrick Strozier
FB
Erik Lorig
Austin Johnson
WR1
Marques Colston
Nick Toon
Brandon Coleman
Seantavius Jones
Steve Hull
WR2
Kenny Stills
Brandin Cooks
Joe Morgan
Robert Meachem
Andy Tanner
Charles Hawkins
TE
Jimmy Graham
Ben Watson
Josh Hill
Je'Ron Hamm
Nic Jacobs
LT
Terron Armstead
Bryce Harris
Tavon Rooks
LG
Ben Grubbs
Senio Kelemete
Manase Foketi
C
Jonathan Goodwin
Tim Lelito
Matt Armstrong
RG
Jahri Evans
Marcel Jones
Thomas Welch
RT
Zach Strief
Ty Nsekhe
Jason Weaver
Defense
Strongside DE
Cameron Jordan
Glenn Foster
George Uko
Weakside DE
Aikem Hicks
Tyrunn Walker
Lawrence Virgil
NT
John Jenkins
Brodrick Bunkley
Brandon Deaderick
Moses McCray
Rush OLB
Junior Galette
Keyunta Dawson
Rufus Johnson
Cheta Ozougwu
Chidera Uzo-Diribe
Weakside ILB
David Hawthorne
Kyle Knox
Khairi Fortt
MLB
Curtis Lofton
Ramon Humber
Kevin Reddick
Strongside OLB
Parys Haralson
Victor Butler
Ronald Powell
Kasim Edebali
CB1
Keenan Lewis
Champ Bailey
Stanley Jean-Baptiste
Rod Sweeting
Derrius Brooks
Brian Dixon
CB2
Patrick Robinson
Corey White
Trevin Wade
Terrence Frederick
AJ Davis
FS
Jairus Byrd
Rafael Bush
Ty Zimmerman
Pierre Warren
SS
Kenny Vaccaro
Marcus Ball
Vinnie Sunseri
Special Teams
K
Shayne Graham
Derek Dimke
P
Thomas Morstead
LS
Justin Drescher
The positions are my best guesstimate of where they'll play/the role they'll play the most. Where they rank was determined by prior playing time, draft position, and/or estimated skill level.
Cooks and Stills, for instance, are pretty interchangeable role wise but I think Cooks will be asked to take on more of those quick hitting routes Sproles ran from the slot more so than Stills. Colston also plays in the slot about half the time but he runs more possession routes regardless of where he's lined up.
If anyone has questions, comments about a player's position/rank, or anything else just let it fly.
QB
Drew Brees
Luke McCown
Ryan Griffin
Logan Kilgore
HB
Pierre Thomas
Mark Ingram
Khiry Robinson
Travaris Cadet
Tim Flanders
Derrick Strozier
FB
Erik Lorig
Austin Johnson
WR1
Marques Colston
Nick Toon
Brandon Coleman
Seantavius Jones
Steve Hull
WR2
Kenny Stills
Brandin Cooks
Joe Morgan
Robert Meachem
Andy Tanner
Charles Hawkins
TE
Jimmy Graham
Ben Watson
Josh Hill
Je'Ron Hamm
Nic Jacobs
LT
Terron Armstead
Bryce Harris
Tavon Rooks
LG
Ben Grubbs
Senio Kelemete
Manase Foketi
C
Jonathan Goodwin
Tim Lelito
Matt Armstrong
RG
Jahri Evans
Marcel Jones
Thomas Welch
RT
Zach Strief
Ty Nsekhe
Jason Weaver
Defense
Strongside DE
Cameron Jordan
Glenn Foster
George Uko
Weakside DE
Aikem Hicks
Tyrunn Walker
Lawrence Virgil
NT
John Jenkins
Brodrick Bunkley
Brandon Deaderick
Moses McCray
Rush OLB
Junior Galette
Keyunta Dawson
Rufus Johnson
Cheta Ozougwu
Chidera Uzo-Diribe
Weakside ILB
David Hawthorne
Kyle Knox
Khairi Fortt
MLB
Curtis Lofton
Ramon Humber
Kevin Reddick
Strongside OLB
Parys Haralson
Victor Butler
Ronald Powell
Kasim Edebali
CB1
Keenan Lewis
Champ Bailey
Stanley Jean-Baptiste
Rod Sweeting
Derrius Brooks
Brian Dixon
CB2
Patrick Robinson
Corey White
Trevin Wade
Terrence Frederick
AJ Davis
FS
Jairus Byrd
Rafael Bush
Ty Zimmerman
Pierre Warren
SS
Kenny Vaccaro
Marcus Ball
Vinnie Sunseri
Special Teams
K
Shayne Graham
Derek Dimke
P
Thomas Morstead
LS
Justin Drescher
The positions are my best guesstimate of where they'll play/the role they'll play the most. Where they rank was determined by prior playing time, draft position, and/or estimated skill level.
Cooks and Stills, for instance, are pretty interchangeable role wise but I think Cooks will be asked to take on more of those quick hitting routes Sproles ran from the slot more so than Stills. Colston also plays in the slot about half the time but he runs more possession routes regardless of where he's lined up.
If anyone has questions, comments about a player's position/rank, or anything else just let it fly.
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 6:51 pm
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:19 pm to bonethug0108
quote:You ever seen that Hannibal TV show?
If anyone has questions, comments about a player's position/rank, or anything else just let it fly.
It's pretty sweet.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:27 pm to Hoodoo Man
I have not actually. Sounds like something I could get into though.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:35 pm to bonethug0108
I don't think I've even heard the name Logan Kilgore before.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:40 pm to Hoodoo Man
sounds like a varsity blues character
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:53 pm to bonethug0108
quote:
Cooks and Stills, for instance, are pretty interchangeable role wise
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:55 pm to bonethug0108
quote:
If anyone has questions, comments about a player's position/rank, or anything else just let it fly.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:55 pm to bonethug0108
I miss Jabari Greer :(
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:56 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Logan was the third string QB for the West Canaan Coyotes? Right? Had to be an underclassman there behind two seniors? I hope Kilgore got him a sundae.
sounds like a varsity blues character
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:03 am to patendedgmf
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:04 am to bonethug0108
doesn't Colston line up in the slot often?
will be interesting to see how much they split time if Bunkley stays healthy. He hurt his calf or something like that against the Falcons in the first game last year and Jenkins saw playing time from the get go.
quote:
NT John Jenkins
Brodrick Bunkley
will be interesting to see how much they split time if Bunkley stays healthy. He hurt his calf or something like that against the Falcons in the first game last year and Jenkins saw playing time from the get go.
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 12:06 am
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:06 am to Jamohn
Well please elaborate. Stills played both outside and slot in college and did the same for us last year. He mostly played the outside deep role but also played some of what Moore did.
Payton has already stated that Cooks can and will play the slot and outside. He can obviously fly at 4.33 and be a deep threat, but I think his acceleration is better suited to running quick hitting routes.
Seems pretty interchangeable to me. Never said that one would or wouldn't be better in either role, but they both can play both.
Payton has already stated that Cooks can and will play the slot and outside. He can obviously fly at 4.33 and be a deep threat, but I think his acceleration is better suited to running quick hitting routes.
Seems pretty interchangeable to me. Never said that one would or wouldn't be better in either role, but they both can play both.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:10 am to bonethug0108
quote:
If anyone has questions, comments about a player's position/rank, or anything else just let it fly.
We staaaaaaaaaaaaacked
League fuuuuuuuuuuuucked
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:15 am to LooseCannon22282
Bunkley played in 12 games and started 10, but he only played 25% of the total snaps whereas Jenkins played 45%. I'm not sure those 4 games Bunkley missed makes up that difference.
Either way they will both see plenty of time. Bunkley is a great run defender whereas Jenkins was known as more of a pass rusher in college with the size to be effective against the run. Call them 1A and 1B.
Payton loves to take guys that do one thing and move them to a spot that normally doesn't do that thing to create mismatches.
So while Colston spends half of his time in the slot, he is still running more of those possession routes. Moore was actually a hybrid possession/slot receiver with the routes he ran.
Again, these guys and their roles are interchangeable(not just the WRs either) as are the spots they will line up at. I'm just listing what I think their main role will be.
Either way they will both see plenty of time. Bunkley is a great run defender whereas Jenkins was known as more of a pass rusher in college with the size to be effective against the run. Call them 1A and 1B.
quote:I mentioned that in my post. The WR listings are more about the routes they are running than where they line up.
doesn't Colston line up in the slot often?
Payton loves to take guys that do one thing and move them to a spot that normally doesn't do that thing to create mismatches.
So while Colston spends half of his time in the slot, he is still running more of those possession routes. Moore was actually a hybrid possession/slot receiver with the routes he ran.
Again, these guys and their roles are interchangeable(not just the WRs either) as are the spots they will line up at. I'm just listing what I think their main role will be.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:15 am to bonethug0108
I really see Stills as a more traditional wideout. If anything, he's more interchangeable with a healthy Joe Morgan than Cooks.
Cooks is more that *forgive my Grudenism here* "Joker" that Payton has always utilized. More like a Bush/Sproles type in the passing game.--obviously I'm not confusing him with a running back but Sproles lined up wide or in the slot on a substantial percentage of his snaps. I see Cooks running a lot of those routes. I wouldn't be shocked if Cooks--depending on what he shows to be his skill set--running routes out of the backfield from a flanker spot on some plays.
I think the "Lance Moore" role may be the little area where Stills' and Cooks' roles "overlap" but I don't think we really totally replace Moore. Payton's system adapts to the personnel at his disposal. I just think it's lazy to look at both of these players and say, "Hey, they both run really fast. They must be interchangeable."
ETA Great thread. Thanks for putting this together.
Cooks is more that *forgive my Grudenism here* "Joker" that Payton has always utilized. More like a Bush/Sproles type in the passing game.--obviously I'm not confusing him with a running back but Sproles lined up wide or in the slot on a substantial percentage of his snaps. I see Cooks running a lot of those routes. I wouldn't be shocked if Cooks--depending on what he shows to be his skill set--running routes out of the backfield from a flanker spot on some plays.
I think the "Lance Moore" role may be the little area where Stills' and Cooks' roles "overlap" but I don't think we really totally replace Moore. Payton's system adapts to the personnel at his disposal. I just think it's lazy to look at both of these players and say, "Hey, they both run really fast. They must be interchangeable."
ETA Great thread. Thanks for putting this together.
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 12:17 am
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:25 am to Jamohn
I agree with all of that and I didn't mean perfectly interchangeable. I just meant interchangeable enough to where they both can run slants, posts, flys, quick hitches, etc.
Obviously Stills doesn't have that same explosiveness that Cooks has so he won't be running stuff like the quick option or WR screen and stuff that relies on great initial burst.
I actually think Stills is a great do it all wideout in that he can run any traditional route and be effective enough at it.
On the flipside, while Cooks can run the speed routes and quick hitters, I'm not sure how effective he would be running Colston type routes.
I definitely didn't mean both are fast so they do exactly the same thing. Maybe I could have been more clear but it was just meant to be a quick example.
And no problem.
I'm actually more curious what people think of the new Dlinemen and LBs we picked up and where they might fit. I tried to read up as best I could and watched some highlights on some of them but they are hard to project. I also imagine there is a lot of overlap which makes it harder.
Obviously Stills doesn't have that same explosiveness that Cooks has so he won't be running stuff like the quick option or WR screen and stuff that relies on great initial burst.
I actually think Stills is a great do it all wideout in that he can run any traditional route and be effective enough at it.
On the flipside, while Cooks can run the speed routes and quick hitters, I'm not sure how effective he would be running Colston type routes.
I definitely didn't mean both are fast so they do exactly the same thing. Maybe I could have been more clear but it was just meant to be a quick example.
And no problem.
I'm actually more curious what people think of the new Dlinemen and LBs we picked up and where they might fit. I tried to read up as best I could and watched some highlights on some of them but they are hard to project. I also imagine there is a lot of overlap which makes it harder.
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 12:27 am
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:34 am to bonethug0108
quote:
Again, these guys and their roles are interchangeable(not just the WRs either) as are the spots they will line up at. I'm just listing what I think their main role will be.
yeah, I hear you.
actually Colston could rip shite this year if he can avoid some of those nagging injuries.
I don't think he had a huge drop off last year. I mean, there were 3 games where he was hobbled and was a non-factor. But when you look at his final numbers, he wasn't that far off from his usual output.
sure, he's getting older and he wasn't the same sometimes but its like some people around here hit the panic button on him.
I guess I'm not looking into it the right way though. I'm a Colston homer so I'm sure people will disagree with my opinion immensely, and that's fine.
just like his chances with the real possibility that Stills and Cooks help open things up for him. Stills showed a lot of promise last year so I think he'll continue to improve. I'm not sure about Cooks... I mean he hasn't played a down yet.
I think he could get off to a fast start(Cooks).
But as time goes on... and teams adjust... Colston and others may benefit.
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 12:46 am
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:53 am to LooseCannon22282
He definitely slowed down a couple of games before he missed a game but came back very strong, and he also started very strong. I'll post the stats again.
In the first 4 games he had 21 catches(5 per) for 298 yards(75 per).
The next 3 games he had 6 catches(2 per) for 44 yards(15 per). Then he missed a game.
After coming back, the last 8 games he had 48 catches(6 per) for 601 yards(75 per).
He had a down game at Philly(perhaps due mostly to us having success running) with 2 catches for 16 yards, but then had his best game of the year at Seattle with 11 catches for 144 yards.
Everyone stating that he's done couldn't be further off base. He still had 75 catches for 943 yards in 15 games with 3 bad injury riddled ones thrown in.
In the first 4 games he had 21 catches(5 per) for 298 yards(75 per).
The next 3 games he had 6 catches(2 per) for 44 yards(15 per). Then he missed a game.
After coming back, the last 8 games he had 48 catches(6 per) for 601 yards(75 per).
He had a down game at Philly(perhaps due mostly to us having success running) with 2 catches for 16 yards, but then had his best game of the year at Seattle with 11 catches for 144 yards.
Everyone stating that he's done couldn't be further off base. He still had 75 catches for 943 yards in 15 games with 3 bad injury riddled ones thrown in.
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 12:56 am
Posted on 5/21/14 at 1:04 am to bonethug0108
I think RT is also a key point.
Strief has been solid when he's in there but he's been nagged some injuries too the last few years. I know he's in the longer term plans now because of his new deal but somebody better be ready to step in if he gets hurt again.
I think he had a groin injury in 2012 vs. the Eagles on MNF. Pretty sure he also got hurt against the Texans in 2011 also. Brown had to play a few games at RT if I remember right in his place that year.
I think Strief played most of the time this past season but missed a game here or there.
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Strief has been solid when he's in there but he's been nagged some injuries too the last few years. I know he's in the longer term plans now because of his new deal but somebody better be ready to step in if he gets hurt again.
I think he had a groin injury in 2012 vs. the Eagles on MNF. Pretty sure he also got hurt against the Texans in 2011 also. Brown had to play a few games at RT if I remember right in his place that year.
I think Strief played most of the time this past season but missed a game here or there.
???
Posted on 5/21/14 at 1:21 am to LooseCannon22282
He missed 5 games in 2011, 4 in 2012, and only 1 last year.
Honestly all of the OTs we have are more RT types outside of Armstead. I picked the best 2 young guys that I think may be in rotation for LT but even they seem like better RT fits.
I think we are definitely looking for at least an upgrade over Harris who has only been decent at best. And hopefully one of them steps up in 3 years and becomes the starter.
Honestly all of the OTs we have are more RT types outside of Armstead. I picked the best 2 young guys that I think may be in rotation for LT but even they seem like better RT fits.
I think we are definitely looking for at least an upgrade over Harris who has only been decent at best. And hopefully one of them steps up in 3 years and becomes the starter.
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