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How the NRA Rewrote the Second Amendment

Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:32 am
Posted by a want
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:32 am
Pretty interesting article. Long, but interesting.

Politico: The Founders never intended to create an unregulated individual right to a gun. Today, millions believe they did. Here’s how it happened.

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From 1888, when law review articles first were indexed, through 1959, every single one on the Second Amendment concluded it did not guarantee an individual right to a gun. The first to argue otherwise, written by a William and Mary law student named Stuart R. Hays, appeared in 1960. He began by citing an article in the NRA’s American Rifleman magazine and argued that the amendment enforced a “right of revolution,” of which the Southern states availed themselves during what the author called “The War Between the States.”

At first, only a few articles echoed that view. Then, starting in the late 1970s, a squad of attorneys and professors began to churn out law review submissions, dozens of them, at a prodigious rate. Funds—much of them from the NRA—flowed freely. An essay contest, grants to write book reviews, the creation of “Academics for the Second Amendment,” all followed. In 2003, the NRA Foundation provided $1 million to endow the Patrick Henry professorship in constitutional law and the Second Amendment at George Mason University Law School.

This fusillade of scholarship and pseudo-scholarship insisted that the traditional view—shared by courts and historians—was wrong. There had been a colossal constitutional mistake. Two centuries of legal consensus, they argued, must be overturned.


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One lesson: patience. The fight for gun rights took decades. Another lesson, perhaps obvious: There is no substitute for political organizing. A century ago the satirical character Mr. Dooley famously said in an Irish brogue, “No matter whether th' Constitution follows th' flag or not, the Supreme Coort follows th' iliction returns.” Before social movements can win at the court they must win at the ballot box. The five justices in the Heller majority were all nominated by presidents who themselves were NRA members.

But even more important is this: Activists turned their fight over gun control into a constitutional crusade. Modern political consultants may tell clients that constitutional law and the role of the Supreme Court is too arcane for discussion at the proverbial “kitchen table.” Nonsense. Americans always have been engaged, and at times enraged, by constitutional doctrine. Deep notions of freedom and rights have retained totemic power. Today’s “Second Amendment supporters” recognize that claiming the constitutional high ground goes far toward winning an argument.
Posted by hashtag
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:37 am to
The phrase "separation of church and state" does not actually appear anywhere in the Constitution. Millions believe that it does.

everything else in the article could apply to this issue too. and, a hundred other issues.
This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 8:39 am
Posted by BamaFan89
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:39 am to
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The Founders never intended to create an unregulated individual right to a gun.


Is this the same "unregulated" right in which you have to undergo background checks, waiting periods, class training, etc. in order to exercise it?
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:40 am to
So the founders didn't believe that an individual should have the right to own guns for hunting?
Posted by DelU249
Austria
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:41 am to
Liberals amaze me. A2 is a deliberate and specific sentence. They somehow interpret it as if there was a 200000 page addedum to the law, but nooooooooo it's the NRA that is reinterpreting it.

it really takes a special kind of stupid
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:42 am to
The right of the people...

Posted by ASTL
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:42 am to
"How Obama and the 'Progressives' rewrote most all amendments in order to strip your rights and ruin this country"


Well, it started in 2008....
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:43 am to
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every single one on the Second Amendment concluded it did not guarantee an individual right to a gun

From 1888 through 1959, what did "shall not be infringed" mean?
What did "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms" mean?
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:44 am to
I think the historical context given by the SCOTUS in Heller is a lot more reliable than Politico.
Posted by darkhorse
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:44 am to
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How the NRA Rewrote the Second Amendment by going back in time to lobby for it!
Posted by DelU249
Austria
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:45 am to
The liberal objective is full scale confiscation

Anyone who thinks otherwise is lying to themselves
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:46 am to
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om 1888, when law review articles first were indexed, through 1959, every single one on the Second Amendment concluded it did not guarantee an individual right to a gun.
OK. Now I'll admit that I do not have access to this index or, if I do, I've never seen it. But, I smell horse shite from a mile away. EVERY law review article for 71 years huh.

I seriously doubt you can think of a single issue in the history of man where lawyers went 71 years with NOT A SINGLE ONE disagreeing with a particular position.
Posted by Taxing Authority
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:47 am to
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From 1888, when law review articles
Law review articles written 100 years AFTER the Constitution...now define what the FF's intent was? Good grief.
This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 8:48 am
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:47 am to
We're missing about 100 years, but even Scalia has stated the same thing that guns were "regulated" at conception.

But something tells me there is a difference between the regulation considered in 1800 versus the type of regulation that spawned the "unregulated" movement.
This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 8:48 am
Posted by Taxing Authority
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:48 am to
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The phrase "separation of church and state" does not actually appear anywhere in the Constitution. Millions believe that it does.
Nor is there a Right to Privacy.
This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 8:49 am
Posted by mtntiger
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Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:51 am to
Enlighten us, oh wise one.

How exactly would a militia be formed without the right of individuals to "keep and bear arms?"

A militia, as I'm sure you know, is NOT a standing army. Back in the 1700s, EVERYBODY had a firearm of some sort. When a call to arms went out in a community, the men simply grabbed their weapons and met in the town square.
Posted by Helo
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:52 am to
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Pretty interesting article. Long, but interesting.

No, not really
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:54 am to
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Nor is there a Right to Privacy.


The famous "penumbra" opinion. Like it or not they pulled that one out their arse.
Posted by homesicktiger
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:57 am to
Politico



Michael Waldman



Brennan Center for Justice



I think I'll defer to the writings of the founders themselves.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90360 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:57 am to
They didn't rewrite the 2nd. Seems to me they fought for what they believed was the proper interpretation of it and the courts agreed. Just because prior courts had a different opinion doesn't mean they were correct nor does it change the fact Americans have always owned guns and felt they had a right to.

The Federalist Papers are pretty clear about the founders intentions regarding the 2nd amendment and it's clear that they wanted an armed populace.

I guess since the emotional argument didn't work for Libs wanting gun control they will now try to say the founders didn't intend for us to have guns
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