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Net Neutrality -- What You Need To Know

Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:52 am
Posted by SG_Geaux
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:52 am
Pretty decent article that tries to simplify Net Neutrality for people.

LINK
Posted by TDsngumbo
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:59 am to
I'm still confused.
Posted by Hawkeye95
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 11:04 am to
its a start but it omits a big piece, this isn't just about movies and tv. This is about EVERY service.

Without net neutrality, comcast could throttle your connection to your bank making it unusable. Same for insurance, or any other online service you use. Then suddenly comcast gets to dictate who you bank with, who gets your insurance, where you get your music, news, and pretty much everything else.

Its the biggest threat to personal freedom we have seen in the last 50 years.
Posted by elprez00
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 11:07 am to
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Without net neutrality, comcast could throttle your connection to your bank making it unusable. Same for insurance, or any other online service you use. Then suddenly comcast gets to dictate who you bank with, who gets your insurance, where you get your music, news, and pretty much everything else.


Much like you see Comcast/DTV/etc dropping TV stations during "negotiations", just wait til they start blocking websites for the same thing.

"Sorry, Chase doesn't pay us enough money to provide access to their website, so we're not going to allow it until they agree to our contract demands."

Is there any way this doesn't send internet costs through the roof for consumers?
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 11:11 am to
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Without net neutrality, comcast could throttle your connection to your bank making it unusable. Same for insurance, or any other online service you use. Then suddenly comcast gets to dictate who you bank with, who gets your insurance, where you get your music, news, and pretty much everything else.

Its the biggest threat to personal freedom we have seen in the last 50 years.


It's a threat to your wallet, not your freedom. Comcast, AT&T and the rest of the ISPs are not going to go back in time and turn into the walled garden version of the Internet we saw with AOL, Compuserve etc. They may however charge customers more money for more access, and anyone that's big enough to get shaken down for the double dip will get shaken down.
Posted by Hawkeye95
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 11:22 am to
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It's a threat to your wallet, not your freedom.

I completely disagree. If your comms provider has the ability to unduly influence who you buy what from, its about freedom. The gov't is letting the ISPs restrict services, giving them defacto control over almost every part of your digital life.

And in most markets, there are only one or two providers for high speed internet. So that choice is pretty much out the window.

They probably won't do it with banking to start with, but it will be coming. get your comcast quintiple play - insurance, banking, phone, internet and security services. Its really quite scary.
Posted by lsu480
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 11:26 am to
I wasn't worried about this until I saw that ATT just purchased DirecTV. They have to know something is coming.....
Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 11:27 am to
They will probably be doing the same for TV channels. They don't like the rhetoric on one station, cut them from the line-up and have their internet service slowed until it is unusable. News channel over with until they pay up

Don't forget that all of these companies control most of the television services throughout the country as well
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 11:28 am to
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ATT just purchased DirecTV. They have to know something is coming.....


All their competitors are merging and getting bigger, it may be as simple as grow or die.
Posted by lsu480
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 11:31 am to
Or they know that people won't be able to cut the cord as easily anymore since they will be able to throttle and know that DirecTV is going to stop losing people.
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 11:34 am to
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And in most markets, there are only one or two providers for high speed internet.


This is the real problem, unfortunately I doubt they try to fix it.

For now you have the choice of 4 wireless providers in most markets. I wonder if that's enough competition. If you can access your bank on your phone through AT&T but not on your desktop through Comcast, the first thing that's going to happen is calls to tech support thinking it's broken. It would have to be a pretty colluded situation, not that the companies we're talking about wouldn't go there, for blocking sites to not create a massive outcry, and the public voice has never had more influence on companies than it does now with anything anyone says on social media potentially being covered like it's actual news.
Posted by Sheep
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 11:35 am to
quote:

What You Need To Know




The common man is going to take it in the shorts.

Signed,

Everything
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 11:36 am to
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If you can access your bank on your phone through AT&T but not on your desktop through Comcast, the first thing that's going to happen is calls to tech support thinking it's broken. It would have to be a pretty colluded situation, not that the companies we're talking about wouldn't go there, for blocking sites to not create a massive outcry, and the public voice has never had more influence on companies than it does now with anything anyone says on social media potentially being covered like it's actual news.

there response is going to be - its the bank that has the problem.

And reality is if customer service mattered to these fricks, they would have decent customer service. Call ATT, or comcast and see what the experience is like. Its scary.

They know you are pretty much stuck, so they DGAF.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 11:43 am to
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Its the biggest threat to personal freedom we have seen in the last 50 years.


uh no
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
29350 posts
Posted on 5/19/14 at 11:47 am to
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And reality is if customer service mattered to these fricks, they would have decent customer service. Call ATT, or comcast and see what the experience is like. Its scary.

Which is why I'm pissed that they bought DirecTV. It's the one place you can still get halfway decent customer service.

What incentive do they have to offer customer service when they are the only choice?
Posted by Sophandros
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 11:53 am to
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All their competitors are merging and getting bigger, it may be as simple as grow or die.



At our expense.

The best case scenario in a non-net neutral world is that w caste system is created and the information and monetary divide widens, effectively shutting a large segment of society out from any hope for improvement.
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 11:58 am to
That's a horribly written article.
Posted by McLemore
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:08 pm to
good discussion from No Agenda podcast

LINK
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:13 pm to
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quote:

Its the biggest threat to personal freedom we have seen in the last 50 years.
uh no

So where does having a corporate gatekeeper that decides which products and services you have access to fit in your list of threats to personal freedom?
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:16 pm to
quote:

good discussion from No Agenda podcast

LINK

No way I'm listening to that, especially since 30 seconds in the guy claims that "net neutrality" -> "open internet" is a "complete change in narrative". His opinion is meaningless.
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