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Why did the RIAA &MPAA target peer-to-peer networks instead of one-click hosts?
Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:01 am
Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:01 am
A few years ago, the RIAA (and to a lesser extent, the MPAA) when after uploaders on peer-to-peer networks like Limewire, thus diminishing the popularity of those sites and leading to some people settling for $3,000 or so for downloading music. I think the main thing it did was made many users downloaders only, which killed selection choices.
Over the weekend, I read an article in the New Yorker where a porn company has filed about 3 lawsuits a day by hiring consultants to trace uploaders on BitTorrent LINK
Apparently this one company is now the source of 1/3 of all copyright lawsuits in the US, as the RIAA isn't suing anymore.
So here's my question. Why do the parties suing individuals always go after peer-to-peer users rather than users on single click hosting and/or streaming sites? Is it easier? Does it require fewer subpoenas to access records? Or do IP addresses disappear when uploaded to a storing site like Rapidshare or one of the streaming sites? Aren't they basically the exact same thing otherwise?
Doesn't make any sense to me. Unless I'm missing something, wouldn't everyone just switch to other sharing outlets if they know one kind is being targeted by professional organizations and/or copyright trolls?
Over the weekend, I read an article in the New Yorker where a porn company has filed about 3 lawsuits a day by hiring consultants to trace uploaders on BitTorrent LINK
Apparently this one company is now the source of 1/3 of all copyright lawsuits in the US, as the RIAA isn't suing anymore.
So here's my question. Why do the parties suing individuals always go after peer-to-peer users rather than users on single click hosting and/or streaming sites? Is it easier? Does it require fewer subpoenas to access records? Or do IP addresses disappear when uploaded to a storing site like Rapidshare or one of the streaming sites? Aren't they basically the exact same thing otherwise?
Doesn't make any sense to me. Unless I'm missing something, wouldn't everyone just switch to other sharing outlets if they know one kind is being targeted by professional organizations and/or copyright trolls?
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:07 am to Keys Open Doors
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So here's my question. Why do the parties suing individuals always go after peer-to-peer users rather than users on single click hosting and/or streaming sites? Is it easier? Does it require fewer subpoenas to access records? Or do IP addresses disappear when uploaded to a storing site like Rapidshare or one of the streaming sites? Aren't they basically the exact same thing otherwise?
Single click hosters like letwatchthis/onechannel are normally based outside of the USA in countries that don't have/don't enforce copyright laws. Basically you can't sue them in the USA because they don't operate in the USA.
You can't subpeona them to get their traffic info for the same reason.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:10 am to Dam Guide
quote:si... Just get yourself a good proxy mayne
based outside of the USA
Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:13 am to Dam Guide
That makes sense. So were Limewire, Bit Torrent, and all of the other major sites for either single files or torrents based in the US?
Interesting to see how international copyright issues and subpoena powers are the main determinant of the lawsuits.
ETA: Okay next question. How was Mega Upload seized by the US gov't when its founders are from New Zealand and the company was based in Hong Kong?
Interesting to see how international copyright issues and subpoena powers are the main determinant of the lawsuits.
ETA: Okay next question. How was Mega Upload seized by the US gov't when its founders are from New Zealand and the company was based in Hong Kong?
This post was edited on 5/19/14 at 9:17 am
Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:21 am to Keys Open Doors
They took down a couple of them like Megaupload and seems like some others got scared off but many are still there. Guess they may be out of jurisdiction or something.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:43 am to Keys Open Doors
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That makes sense. So were Limewire, Bit Torrent, and all of the other major sites for either single files or torrents based in the US?
Interesting to see how international copyright issues and subpoena powers are the main determinant of the lawsuits.
ETA: Okay next question. How was Mega Upload seized by the US gov't when its founders are from New Zealand and the company was based in Hong Kong?
Things like Limewire, the companies can pay people to see who is downloading/sharing by participating in that sharing and get IP addresses. Basically they track you by also illegally downloading the movie/song from you. They can use this information to sue people and get the identities behind the IP addresses.
With a single click downloader, who is downloading is all done by that server, they can't track it unless they hack the server.
US Government is big, it can push smaller governments around. Megaupload is an interesting case and may never go to court. It got stuff seized in China though, which has sometimes not been favorable to certain people who break copyrights especially with closer ties between Hollywood and China to get more money.
This post was edited on 5/19/14 at 9:45 am
Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:45 am to USMCTiger03
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Guess they may be out of jurisdiction or something
Wasn't Megaupload out of their jurisdiction as well? I don't think they had any servers located in the US.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:46 am to Keys Open Doors
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Why do the parties suing individuals always go after peer-to-peer users rather than users on single click hosting and/or streaming sites
you answered your own question
Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:49 am to NewIberiaHaircut
Hong Kong I believe, or maybe New Zealand. Haven't read up on that in a while.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:44 am to Keys Open Doors
I wondered why they don't go after things like redtube. Glad they don't 
Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:55 am to Dam Guide
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Things like Limewire, the companies can pay people to see who is downloading/sharing by participating in that sharing and get IP addresses. Basically they track you by also illegally downloading the movie/song from you.
Got it. This makes sense and was kind of what I was thinking. Basically, on peer to peer, you are you own host, while on single click and streaming sites, the hosting duties are transferred to the website, which hosts millions of files if it's good enough. Right?
Either way though, wouldn't a subpoena be required for the ISP to translate the IP to something meaningful, like the address and name of the person with the IP address? Seems like peer to peer would require one subpoena while single click and streaming would require two, no?
Fwiw, Mega Upload was based in Hong Kong and run by a New Zealand citizen. I think the new version of Mega Upload is still around and based in New Zealand.
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