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re: Van Gundy In, Monroe Out
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:08 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:08 am to TigerinATL
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Posted on 5/15/14 at 7:50 am to Colonel Flagg
I don't think we should get rid of Anderson and I don't think we will. Aside from his 3pt shooting, he's too valuable in the floor spacing he creates for our guards.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 8:09 am to Colonel Flagg
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Shouldn't Detroit have plenty of cap room?
They do have a lot of cap room, but Gordon and Anderson make $14,898,938 and $8,491,500 respectively. That's $23,390,438 in incoming salary. Taking away Monroe and his QO and adding those two would bring their salary to $65,120,150, which is over the cap. As such, they'd have to send out more salary.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 8:20 am to Galactic Inquisitor
If you actually wanted to do Monroe for Gordon and Anderson, I think you'd be willing to take back an expiring Jerebko.
It's an interesting question. What would you give to get Gordon off the roster for 2015 FA?
2015 1st
Rivers
Withey + Pierre Jackson
Swapping Anderson and $5 million in cap space for Monroe.
It's an interesting question. What would you give to get Gordon off the roster for 2015 FA?
2015 1st
Rivers
Withey + Pierre Jackson
Swapping Anderson and $5 million in cap space for Monroe.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 8:24 am to Galactic Inquisitor
Maybe we could get Jonas Jerekbo from them? He's 6'10/235 and is at 4.5 mi for the year(a player option)
He's a pretty legit backup PF that rebounds well and can play the 3 a little bit.
ETA: ATL beat me to it
He's a pretty legit backup PF that rebounds well and can play the 3 a little bit.
ETA: ATL beat me to it
This post was edited on 5/15/14 at 8:25 am
Posted on 5/15/14 at 8:53 am to TigerinATL
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If you actually wanted to do Monroe for Gordon and Anderson, I think you'd be willing to take back an expiring Jerebko.
It's an interesting question. What would you give to get Gordon off the roster for 2015 FA?
2015 1st
Rivers
Withey + Pierre Jackson
Swapping Anderson and $5 million in cap space for Monroe.
Yeah, I just don't see Monroe being the missing piece that justifies giving up Anderson.
In that hypothetical, I'd have to see how Jerebko's expiring would set us up in free agency, but you're only freeing up Anderson's salary. Does that get us far enough under the cap to actually do anything meaningful in free agency? Not a trade that excites me in any way, so I'm not going to calculate the cap ramifications.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 9:02 am to Galactic Inquisitor
Even if you could get Monroe for the price of Anderson, which you won't, it's just a bad fit. Anderson draws a big out of the paint opening the lane for guards, Monroe wouldn't. Even if he scored as much as Anderson, he wouldn't be creating more points for other players.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 9:19 am to TigerinATL
Now, although I started a thread arguing against the small ball fad, I also think you're going to see the price of decent bigs start to come back to earth a bit. Monroe is not worth a max contract in this league. In reality, paying him more than about $9M per could be a huge mistake. Being big does not make you a max player. There are no Shaqs in the league that deserve a max salary.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 9:27 am to TigerinATL
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it's just a bad fit.
Not so sure. Having a good offense with two non 3pt bigs can be done. SAS (obviously), but Memphis had an offense just barely worse than the Pels, with no one as dynamic as Davis on the roster. It would require ball movement and spacing we haven't really ever seen from this team, but the passing of Davis/Monroe could make it work.
Now defensively, I see much more difficult problems with the pair and with the scheme
Posted on 5/15/14 at 10:04 am to corndeaux
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Now defensively, I see much more difficult problems with the pair and with the scheme
Here's a question I have... would Monroe be considered a 4 or a 5 here on defense?
Davis can generally play either, but the lack of talent at the 5 in the NBA right now leads me to believe that Monroe could do decently defending the 5 for us if he has help from Davis.
Outside of Cousins and Howard, there aren't a tremendous amount of centers who demand attention these days.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 10:14 am to teke184
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Outside of Cousins and Howard, there aren't a tremendous amount of centers who demand attention these days.
The problem with centers that are "bad defenders" these days isn't that they get burned by Al Jefferson, it's that they are slow footed enough to get burned by the Pick and Roll to the point that you have to take your starting center out of the game.
According to Synergy Sports, he's much worse covering the roll man in the P&R than anyone else on the radar. PPP and rank:
Varejao .74 #15
Asik .66 #23
Ajinca .73 (not enough attempts to rank)
AD .79 #27
Smith .8 #32
Hawes (Philly) .82 #39
Lopez .92 #65
Stiemsma .95 #77
Withey .95 (not enough attempts to rank)
Koufos 1.03 #98
Gortat 1.03 #98
Monroe 1.19 #120
This post was edited on 5/15/14 at 10:15 am
Posted on 5/15/14 at 10:49 am to danman6336
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Or we just have two PFs?
If Monroe were capable of playing PF the Pistons wouldn't think of letting him go.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:04 am to brgfather129
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If Monroe were capable of playing PF the Pistons wouldn't think of letting him go.
More like "If Josh Smith could play the 3, Monroe would be getting an extension."
Putting any two of Smith, Monroe, and Drummond on the court worked. Putting all three of them on the court was a disaster because Detroit doesn't have the shooters to create spacing for them.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:14 am to teke184
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More like "If Josh Smith could play the 3, Monroe would be getting an extension."
No. As was already mentioned in this thread, Monroe is terrible defensively and cannot cover the 4. It has nothing to do with Josh Smith or the offense at all.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:25 am to TigerinATL
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it's that they are slow footed enough to get burned by the Pick and Roll to the point that you have to take your starting center out of the game
Yep.
If they get Monroe, they have to fundamentally alter how they approach defense (you could argue they should anyway based on the past couple of years). The high pressure, constant switching just won't work with his footspeed. Plus, he isn't much of a rim protector. Even if you really want Davis causing havoc out to the 3pt line, Monroe likely isn't enough at the rim to anchor even a mediocre defense.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:28 am to TigerinATL
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Even if you could get Monroe for the price of Anderson, which you won't, it's just a bad fit. Anderson draws a big out of the paint opening the lane for guards, Monroe wouldn't. Even if he scored as much as Anderson, he wouldn't be creating more points for other players.
There's only one Ryno, and he's on our team. The rest 3pt shooting bigs aren't nearly on his level in terms of efficiency.
So how in the world do other teams get into the paint from the perimeter? It's obviously not impossible. Ryno is a great luxury. I'd love to keep him. But if there's a good deal to be had, I say capitalize on it. Granted, that doesn't mean throw in 100% for Monroe, though I think he'd be a good fit for our offense.
Defense? Not so much.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:43 am to Eman5805
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So how in the world do other teams get into the paint from the perimeter?
By going small ball or as corndeaux said, ball movement that we've only dreamed about seeing from the Pels. Lets look at another twin tower team that's been brought up already, Memphis. Mike Conley took 26.6% of his shots within 3 feet. Tyreke shot 56.5% of his shots within 3 feet this year. The twin towers might not pose a problem for Jrue, but we saw what happened to Tyreke when teams were able to pack the paint. Now obviously Monroe is more of a threat than Stiemsma, but Monroe took nearly 85% of his shots from 10 feet or closer last season. How far is he really going to drag his man from the paint? The one saving grace might be another capable target for Tyreke to dump off to, but I don't think Monroe will help him score more.
This post was edited on 5/15/14 at 11:45 am
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:10 pm to TigerinATL
Would love to get him
Posted on 5/15/14 at 1:48 pm to TigerinATL
What is your opinion of Robin Lopez?
Posted on 5/15/14 at 2:01 pm to SouthMSReb
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What is your opinion of Robin Lopez?
He's an ok center but not what we need in the "starting" role. Liability in the Pick and Roll defense and not a good rebounder. He has more offensive talent than he usually gets credit for, but outside of offense, I think Withey will give us everything Lopez gave us in another 2-3 years.
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