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Legislature says no to mandatory sex education in public schools
Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:24 pm
The Advocate story
Does anyone have any information on the effectiveness of this type of education in preventing teen pregnancy, etc?
Does anyone have any information on the effectiveness of this type of education in preventing teen pregnancy, etc?
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:28 pm to swampdawg
quote:I don't actually care about its effectiveness.
The Advocate story Does anyone have any information on the effectiveness of this type of education in preventing teen pregnancy, etc?
Not EVERYTHING needs to be in schools. We have a diverse population with many different beliefs on how to teach children about sex. Given that reality, this is most certainly a subject that belongs between parent and child.
I mean hell, mandating that ALL children go to a week long seminar on sex during the summer between 6th and 7th grade would probably be very "effective" but that doesn't make it the right thing to do.
"Effective" isn't the only measure.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:32 pm to swampdawg
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“I don’t think it is the responsibility of schools to provide sex education,” said Jim Crumling, president of the Acadiana Patriots.
Given that many parents, especially in impoverished areas, know little more than their kids about protection, contraceptives and pregnancy I'd say that the schools should feel obligated to help curtail one of the biggest social problems facing America today.
Why should we trust people who often themselves unintentionally got pregnant as teens/young adults (often multiple times) to stop the cycle with their kids?
Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:35 pm to ShortyRob
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I don't actually care about its effectiveness.
The frick?
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We have a diverse population with many different beliefs on how to teach children about sex. Given that reality, this is most certainly a subject that belongs between parent and child.
To borrow from you, I really don't care. In the past we've largely left sx ed up to parents, and it aint working in low income/low education areas. In the areas where teen pregnancy is at its highest, the parents are failing miserably.
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I mean hell, mandating that ALL children go to a week long seminar on sex during the summer between 6th and 7th grade would probably be very "effective" but that doesn't make it the right thing to do.
Um...yeah it does.
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"Effective" isn't the only measure.
Why not?
Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:36 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Given that many parents, especially in impoverished areas, know little more than their kids about protection, contraceptives and pregnancy I'd say that the schools should feel obligated to help curtail one of the biggest social problems facing America today.
The list of things SOME parents suck at teaching children is endless. This is an unreasonable standard for determining what should be in schools.
But, the core point is simple. This is something that there is a WIDE spread among people as to how to optimally teach their children. It is DEFINITELY not one size fits most and as such, parents should be allowed to teach their children as they prefer.
Frankly, by most people's standards, my approach to teaching my child would likely be considered EXCEEDINGLY liberal. I would not foist my approach upon everyone else and I'd prefer they not foist theirs upon me.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:40 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:If you think rationally, on virtually any subject, effectiveness isn't the only measure.
The frick?
Many things done by governments in the past have been exceedingly "effective" at getting the result they'd like. Alas, there are other factors involved in decisions. Cmon. I'm sure you can fathom how that would be the case.
quote:So, because one parent is fricked up, that means that I have to get a state solution applied to MY children? Odd.
To borrow from you, I really don't care. In the past we've largely left sx ed up to parents, and it aint working in low income/low education areas. In the areas where teen pregnancy is at its highest, the parents are failing miserably.
quote:LOL
Um...yeah it does.
quote:Really. Agian. Think about it.
"Effective" isn't the only measure.
How about this. It would likely improve the effectiveness of crime prevention/solving if our government was allowed to constantly monitor all of our communications in detail, search our homes with no warrants, disregard civil liberties in general and punish entire families for the crimes of an individual.
That would be HIGHLY "effective" but I aint for it!!
Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:45 pm to swampdawg
If inner city schools and suburban schools teach the same thing in regards to sex education, why is the teen birth rate higher in the inner city schools. It's not what is being taught in the class, it's what being discussed at home..
Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:47 pm to ShortyRob
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How about this. It would likely improve the effectiveness of crime prevention/solving if our government was allowed to constantly monitor all of our communications in detail, search our homes with no warrants, disregard civil liberties in general and punish entire families for the crimes of an individual.
The government already does this
Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:49 pm to swampdawg
Government always says no to things with Sex in title
Posted on 5/14/14 at 2:21 pm to swampdawg
this doesn't surprise me. The level ignorance displayed here is titanic.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 2:30 pm to RoyMcavoy
quote:I don't think it's ignorant for me to want to teach my children about sex and the schools to try and figure out how to finally do well on all their core stuff.
this doesn't surprise me. The level ignorance displayed here is titanic.
Why is that ignorant? I did a damned good job with my oldest than you very much and I'll do just as well with my next 2 as they come of age.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 2:31 pm to swampdawg
I don't understand who wouldn't want their kids to learn about sex from a biological and safe standpoint, as opposed to an awkward talk from mom and dad, or from siblings or friends.
You know how much misinformation is spread by 12-13 year olds and up?
You know how much misinformation is spread by 12-13 year olds and up?
Posted on 5/14/14 at 2:33 pm to The Pirate King
quote:I can guarantee you that my oldest would not describe it that way. I'm sorry other parents blow. That is not my problem.
I don't understand who wouldn't want their kids to learn about sex from a biological and safe standpoint, as opposed to an awkward talk from mom and dad, or from siblings or friends.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 2:36 pm to ShortyRob
its certainly not ignorant of you to teach your children sex ed. I was calling the opposition to the bill ignorant. You have every right to educate your children how you see fit.
With that being said, if sex ed is taught in public schools and a parent doesn't want their child to participate, they can simply write a note to the school and their child can skip it.
With that being said, if sex ed is taught in public schools and a parent doesn't want their child to participate, they can simply write a note to the school and their child can skip it.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 2:54 pm to swampdawg
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Does anyone have any information on the effectiveness of this type of education in preventing teen pregnancy, etc?
We know teen pregnancy is reduced through contraceptive use. It is both intuitively obvious and born out in empirical data:
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The decline in teen pregnancy is “almost exclusively” a result of more contraceptive use, according to Guttmacher. Birth control use is up to 47 percent of sexually active teens, while teens’ use of both condoms and hormonal contraception rose from 16 percent to 23 percent in recent years.
So we should teach our teenagers about contraceptives. If we don't want them to become pregnant at least.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 3:01 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Given that many parents, especially in impoverished areas, know little more than their kids about protection, contraceptives and pregnancy I'd say that the schools should feel obligated to help curtail one of the biggest social problems facing America today.
Why should we trust people who often themselves unintentionally got pregnant as teens/young adults (often multiple times) to stop the cycle with their kids?
This was my thinking as well.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 3:03 pm to ShortyRob
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Not EVERYTHING needs to be in schools. We have a diverse population with many different beliefs on how to teach children about sex. Given that reality, this is most certainly a subject that belongs between parent and child. (EDIT - underline added by tuba)
The science of sex isn't really something that's up for debate. Scientists how babies are made. Scientists also know how to prevent babies from being made. As to debating "how" you teach these things, traditionally you would use books and a chalk board though I hear these days they have fancy new marker boards and "computers" - is that what parents are afraid of?
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I mean hell, mandating that ALL children go to a week long seminar on sex during the summer between 6th and 7th grade would probably be very "effective" but that doesn't make it the right thing to do.
You're absolutely correct.
I think that sex education should be taught in "biology" class. Are you familiar with the subject?
This post was edited on 5/14/14 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 5/14/14 at 3:04 pm to ShortyRob
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I can guarantee you that my oldest would not describe it that way. I'm sorry other parents blow. That is not my problem.
If it's not your problem then you should never bitch about your tax dollars going to support those who are born into this cycle.
Not saying that you do or that you would - just that you can't anymore.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 3:14 pm to swampdawg
Ole Zach is gonna tell ya'll how we learned about sex back in the day.
1. When I was in 4th grade my mom took a stab at teaching me sex ed one day. She talked about how the man planted his seed when the woman was fertile. I took as being agriculture.
2. In 6th grade I learned from the graphics written on the bathroom walls at Dodson Elementary School. Very clear how sex happens. No cost. And it was an art form.
3. In HS I learned about girls. Very simple. They want boys that they cannot have. They do not want boys that they can have. It was then that I realized girls were devoid of logic.
1. When I was in 4th grade my mom took a stab at teaching me sex ed one day. She talked about how the man planted his seed when the woman was fertile. I took as being agriculture.
2. In 6th grade I learned from the graphics written on the bathroom walls at Dodson Elementary School. Very clear how sex happens. No cost. And it was an art form.
3. In HS I learned about girls. Very simple. They want boys that they cannot have. They do not want boys that they can have. It was then that I realized girls were devoid of logic.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 3:45 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:I once asked a principal a simple question when they sent home a permission form for my oldest to attend their sex ed program. Well, actually, it was an "opt out" form which made their goal pretty transparent, but that's another issue.
The science of sex isn't really something that's up for debate. Scientists how babies are made.
The question I asked when the principal explained to me how generic the curriculum was was simple. "Sir, can you guarantee me that if, during one of these classes, my daughter goes to the teacher with a question that falls outside of the curriculum that the teacher will give the ONLY proper answer? Namely, "that is something you should talk to your parents about".
Fortunately, the principal was honest enough to say "no". And I said, "that's why my child will not be attending".
Too many teachers think it's their job to overcome parental thinking. If I could trust them to stick to the biology, I probably wouldn't have an issue with it but anyone that trusting probably has stupid children anyway.
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