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Alpha, Beta, White Knights, Red Pill, etc......

Posted on 5/9/14 at 6:00 pm
Posted by BabyrayS2k
Member since Nov 2012
778 posts
Posted on 5/9/14 at 6:00 pm
Been seeing lots of this in the OT lately. All of this is about men trying to understand how to deal with the modern American woman. Is this "belief system" going mainstream with American men now? I have my flame suit on so I expect a lot of hostility, but it's something I have noticed more men talking about in the last year or so. Thoughts?
Posted by 82fumanchu
Saskatchewan
Member since Jan 2014
1968 posts
Posted on 5/9/14 at 6:01 pm to
What's red pill?
Posted by blzr
Keeneland
Member since Mar 2011
30084 posts
Posted on 5/9/14 at 6:01 pm to
I think it's for guys that don't know how to talk to people, and just makes it worse.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
134839 posts
Posted on 5/9/14 at 6:01 pm to
Only a beta would ask such questions.
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
141600 posts
Posted on 5/9/14 at 6:01 pm to
Posted by Paige
Vice President of the OT
Member since Oct 2010
84748 posts
Posted on 5/9/14 at 6:02 pm to
Good job starting another alpha beta thread
Posted by Cold Cous Cous
Bucktown, La.
Member since Oct 2003
15042 posts
Posted on 5/9/14 at 6:02 pm to
It's like a Greek mystery cult. Everyone wants to believe they've been initiated into some secret and select society and granted some deeper understanding beyond the grasp of the hoi polloi.

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This post was edited on 5/9/14 at 6:03 pm
Posted by BabyrayS2k
Member since Nov 2012
778 posts
Posted on 5/9/14 at 6:04 pm to
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Only a beta would ask such questions.



I chuckled.
Posted by Mr. Tom Morrow
Cosmic Ray's Starlight Cafe
Member since Jun 2012
6847 posts
Posted on 5/9/14 at 6:06 pm to
I think it's pretty simple. Any man that cares enough about another man's way of life (cologne, cargo shorts, hats, etc.) enough to start a thread about it has issues. Yeah I realize we're discussing it in this thread, but there are some seriously judgemental guys that post in those threads, and it's a really strange sight.
Posted by VetteGuy
Member since Feb 2008
28066 posts
Posted on 5/9/14 at 6:06 pm to
Nothing has changed in the last 200 years.

Women still want men to lead, be confident, and be the head of the household. You can watch all that candy-assed Dr. Phil stuff or you can man up.

Forget all the buzzwords. They aren't going to help.
Posted by TheIndulger
Member since Sep 2011
19239 posts
Posted on 5/9/14 at 6:08 pm to
Red pill, in my understanding, is the metaphor proposed to Neo in the matrix. You can take the blue pill and live in the dream world, or you can swallow the red pill and see reality for what it is.

As far as the mating game goes, the blue pill represents the notion that society has told you that you will meet one girl, she will let you have sex with her and you damn better be thankful for it. In return, you will spend $$ on a diamond ring and expensive wedding just to make all her friends jealous. As seen all too often, a lot of women will then spend all your money, file for divorce and take all half your stuff. ("bitches be crazy")

Swallowing the red pill lets you realize that you don't actually have to do that. You don't have to put up with a girl's shite just to get the secks. You don't actually have to spend loads of cash on fancy dates, even though they want you to and think they are "worth it". You do your own thing, focus on you, and women will naturally be attracted to you.

The red pill, as far as the subreddit is concerned, doesn't necessarily put down the idea of marriage, but a lot of guys there are against it. I agree with some things they say, but I think what the subreddit tends to lean toward is almost an extremism like feminism, but for men. I.e. they act like all women are terrible, or should be submissive. I feel like there's some contradiction there too.
Posted by BabyrayS2k
Member since Nov 2012
778 posts
Posted on 5/9/14 at 6:09 pm to
quote:

What's red pill?


I believe it's when you realize that everything you have been told and taught about women was a lie and you start to see them as they are, and not what you were told by others they are. I could be wrong on this but that is my understanding.
Posted by 82fumanchu
Saskatchewan
Member since Jan 2014
1968 posts
Posted on 5/9/14 at 6:11 pm to
That's a lot deeper than what I was expecting.
Posted by BabyrayS2k
Member since Nov 2012
778 posts
Posted on 5/9/14 at 6:13 pm to
TheIndulger said it much better than I did. Thanks.

Posted by VetteGuy
Member since Feb 2008
28066 posts
Posted on 5/9/14 at 6:13 pm to
It is sad that this:

quote:

Swallowing the red pill lets you realize that you don't actually have to do that. You don't have to put up with a girl's shite just to get the secks. You don't actually have to spend loads of cash on fancy dates, even though they want you to and think they are "worth it". You do your own thing, focus on you, and women will naturally be attracted to you.


Is not taught to every man by his father.
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
141600 posts
Posted on 5/9/14 at 6:14 pm to
quote:

you realize that everything you have been told and taught about women was a lie and you start to see them as they are, and not what you were told by others they are
Posted by TheIndulger
Member since Sep 2011
19239 posts
Posted on 5/9/14 at 6:17 pm to
You seem to have the general idea, as far as my understanding goes
Posted by BabyrayS2k
Member since Nov 2012
778 posts
Posted on 5/9/14 at 6:19 pm to
quote:

Is not taught to every man by his father


Fathers are optional in this country. Single motherhood is rewarded. Mothers raise their sons. And then we have a mess. JMO.
Posted by Murray
Member since Aug 2008
14414 posts
Posted on 5/9/14 at 6:21 pm to
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Fathers are optional in this country. Single motherhood is rewarded. Mothers raise their sons. And then we have a mess. JMO.


Awwww sheeeyit. You dun did it now.
Posted by weedGOKU666
THE 'COLA
Member since Jan 2013
3736 posts
Posted on 5/9/14 at 6:24 pm to
Red Pillers, Nice Guys, MRAs, they're all the same
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