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Prestigious Colleges Won't Make You Happier In Life Or Work
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:44 am
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:44 am
NPR Story
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There's plenty of anxiety in the U.S. over getting into a top college. But a suggests that, later in life, it doesn't matter nearly as much as we think. In fact, when you ask college graduates whether they're "engaged" with their work or "thriving" in all aspects of their lives, their responses don't vary one bit whether they went to a prestigious college or not.
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Those percentages did not vary based on whether the grads went to a fancy name-brand school or a regional state college, one of the top 100 in the U.S. News & World Report rankings or one of the bottom 100. A slight edge did go to those who attended campuses with more than 10,000 students, while for-profit college graduates saw worse outcomes.
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That's because graduates who said they had a "mentor who encouraged my hopes and dreams," "professors who cared about me" and at least one prof who "made me excited about learning" are three times more likely to be thriving and twice as likely to be engaged at work. In a similar vein, grads who did long-term projects and internships and were heavily into extracurriculars are twice as likely to be engaged in their careers today.
College debt also has a big impact, on the negative side. Only 2 percent of those with $20,000 to $40,000 in undergraduate loans reported they were "thriving." That's pretty troubling, since for the 7 in 10 students who borrow.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:46 am to SlowFlowPro
That's just something people who didn't go to Cornell say.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 10:37 am to SlowFlowPro
Well, since all of the state colleges jacked up their prices so high for out of state people, it is at least worth taking a look at Ivy League schools. I looked at Auburn two days ago, and their out of state tuition is $48k/yr. LSU is like $28k/yr IIRC. At least you'll impress some people when you name drop
My younger sister wants to go Ivy League, and my parents opposed it initially because of the cost. After checking around the country for out of state tuition, they are now considering anywhere she wants to go. Prices are ridiculous nowadays for a regular education
My younger sister wants to go Ivy League, and my parents opposed it initially because of the cost. After checking around the country for out of state tuition, they are now considering anywhere she wants to go. Prices are ridiculous nowadays for a regular education
Posted on 5/6/14 at 10:43 am to SlowFlowPro
I'm honestly more surprised its not correlated with less happiness.
High stress colleges in a high stress region that churn out people that go into high stress jobs.
High stress colleges in a high stress region that churn out people that go into high stress jobs.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 10:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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That's because graduates who said they had a "mentor who encouraged my hopes and dreams," "professors who cared about me" and at least one prof who "made me excited about learning" are three times more likely to be thriving and twice as likely to be engaged at work. In a similar vein, grads who did long-term projects and internships and were heavily into extracurriculars are twice as likely to be engaged in their careers today.
This also correlates to people getting degrees in specialized fields. Not necessarily how elite their college is.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 10:50 am to SlowFlowPro
IIRC gladwell gave a nice talk about a study that researched how well young economists were doing professionally and compared those from ivy league schools and those from state schools. The data mirrored what this article proposes. I'll try to find the link
Posted on 5/6/14 at 10:54 am to RoyMcavoy
So graduating from UC-Santa Barbara, then known for its beaches and student riots, with a 2.0 GPA and a degree in General Studies, turns out to be one of the smartest decisions I've made. Life is so funny.
This post was edited on 5/6/14 at 11:30 am
Posted on 5/6/14 at 10:54 am to SlowFlowPro
Wait, so people that go to for profit institutions aren't as happy?
So you're telling me university of phoenix astronaut training program won't make me happy?
So you're telling me university of phoenix astronaut training program won't make me happy?
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:02 am to SlowFlowPro
Going to an Ivy league school is pretty stupid unless you got a full ride or you plan on working in NY or some big area city as a business man or lawyer or something of that nature.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:05 am to Dr. Shultz
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Going to an Ivy league school is pretty stupid unless you got a full ride or you plan on working in NY or some big area city as a business man or lawyer or something of that nature.
Really? Why?
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:05 am to Dr. Shultz
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Going to an Ivy league school is pretty stupid unless you got a full ride or you plan on working in NY or some big area city as a business man or lawyer or something of that nature.
I disagree.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:06 am to SlowFlowPro
That must have been written by a tech school grad
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:08 am to Dr. Shultz
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Going to an Ivy league school is pretty stupid unless you got a full ride or you plan on working in NY or some big area city as a business man or lawyer or something of that nature
This is pretty accurate. Would an Ivy League degree be a great advantage over one from LSU in Baton Rouge? no. Would it be an Advantage in D.C.? Of course. Would it be an advantage in Kansas City? Yep, but would it be better than a degree from Mizzou or Kansas State? Probably not.
If you know where you want to work (a certain geographic area or specific city not in the northeast), a local state school will probably be better for you. However, if you want to work in a big northeastern city, or you don't know what city you want to work in (anywhere in the country), an Ivy League degree is probably better for you.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:09 am to Mo Jeaux
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Really? Why?
Because no one in alabama is gonna give a frick if you went to harvard
and paying 200k for a education degree isn't worth it.
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kingbob
this guy gets it.
There is almost no reason to go to an Ivy League unless you are trying to go to a big metropolitan area where people give a shite or unless your getting a degree that will result in you getting lots of money bc of said prestigious degree
Average cost of one of those Ivy's is 200k+ and if you do medicine or law its probably 350k+
The benefit is not worth the cost
This post was edited on 5/6/14 at 11:13 am
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:11 am to usc6158
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High stress colleges in a high stress region that churn out people that go into high stress jobs.
Same here. Usually people who are more driven, less accepting of failure. Imagine it can be more stressful.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:11 am to Dr. Shultz
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Because no one in alabama is gonna give a frick if you went to harvard
and paying 200k for a education degree isn't worth it.
But not everyone lives in Alabama, and I don't know of anyone who has paid $200k for an education degree. Also, many ivies are generous with funding.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:12 am to Dr. Shultz
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Going to an Ivy league school is pretty stupid unless you got a full ride or you plan on working in NY or some big area city as a business man or lawyer or something of that nature.
it's major for DC/politics...possibly more than the law thing
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:13 am to SlowFlowPro
Malcolm Gladwell has a chapter about this in his new book.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:14 am to Mo Jeaux
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But not everyone lives in Alabama, and I don't know of anyone who has paid $200k for an education degree. Also, many ivies are generous with funding.
I'm using an example state. Since this is a LSU board you could use just about any southern state.
LA, MS, Ark, AL, etc..
No one gives a shite about an ivy league degree down here. You have to go up North for people to care.
and going to an Ivy will cost you a ton of money. and unless you get a degree guaranteed to get you money (used education as an example of being a low paying degree) it definitely isn't worth it.
Ivy Leagues start tuition at like what. 40k+ a year? then say they will give you a 10k+ scholarship per year.
You are still paying a shite ton. It's not cheap and not worth it unless you have a specific goal in mind that most likely requires an Ivy League degree to be "in".
This post was edited on 5/6/14 at 11:16 am
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:15 am to kingbob
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Would an Ivy League degree be a great advantage over one from LSU in Baton Rouge? no.
Lol. Are you serious Clark?
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