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I know some wanted to see it, so here's the average Ht/Wt of all SEC teams
Posted on 5/4/14 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 5/4/14 at 6:00 pm
LSU is #14 in the SEC in height and #13 in weight.
I know 1-2" in height and 10 lbs in weight doesn't seem like a lot, but it really is when you average it over 33-40 players. 10 lbs might be the difference between warning track and over the fence.
South Carolina has the best mix IMO. THey have guys like Pankake and Greiner who pack height and weight, plus the athletic guys (5'9 170 lb) who are needed for today's game. It still isn't all or nothing. You need guys with gap power and HR power too, even with these bats.
Also, Vandy's numbers are very misleading when you look at their starting lineup. They have two 5'5-5'6 players who bring their average way down.
LSU's lineup average: 5'11 187
Here are the SEC standings and the corresponding ht/wt:
1st- UF- 6'2 205
2nd- Ole Miss - 6'2 196
3rd- LSU- 6'0 190
4th- Vandy- 6'1 197
4th- USC- 6'1 191
4th- Bama- 6'2 206
4th- MSU- 6'0 198
5th- TAMU- 6'2 200
6th- Ark- 6'2 196
7th- Tenn- 6'2 194
8th- UK- 6'1 193
9th- Aub- 6'1 200
10th-UGA- 6'1 189
11th-Mizzou- 6'1 195
I know 1-2" in height and 10 lbs in weight doesn't seem like a lot, but it really is when you average it over 33-40 players. 10 lbs might be the difference between warning track and over the fence.
South Carolina has the best mix IMO. THey have guys like Pankake and Greiner who pack height and weight, plus the athletic guys (5'9 170 lb) who are needed for today's game. It still isn't all or nothing. You need guys with gap power and HR power too, even with these bats.
Also, Vandy's numbers are very misleading when you look at their starting lineup. They have two 5'5-5'6 players who bring their average way down.
LSU's lineup average: 5'11 187
Here are the SEC standings and the corresponding ht/wt:
1st- UF- 6'2 205
2nd- Ole Miss - 6'2 196
3rd- LSU- 6'0 190
4th- Vandy- 6'1 197
4th- USC- 6'1 191
4th- Bama- 6'2 206
4th- MSU- 6'0 198
5th- TAMU- 6'2 200
6th- Ark- 6'2 196
7th- Tenn- 6'2 194
8th- UK- 6'1 193
9th- Aub- 6'1 200
10th-UGA- 6'1 189
11th-Mizzou- 6'1 195
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Posted on 5/4/14 at 6:03 pm to Moustache
All listed heights and weights are wrong anyway.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 6:04 pm to Moustache
So would it be fair to say that Mainieri is over-performing then since we are so small and weak yet still in the top third of the SEC?
Posted on 5/4/14 at 6:08 pm to ell_13
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All listed heights and weights are wrong anyway.
True, but since that's all we have you can assume the team with the better listed height/weight is usually bigger.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 6:09 pm to Broski
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So would it be fair to say that Mainieri is over-performing then since we are so small and weak yet still in the top third of the SEC?
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So would it be fair to say that Mainieri is over-performing then since we are so small and weak yet still in the top third of the SEC?
Possibly. Or he's riding Nola's arm.
I mean, we're not completely devoid of talent. But, it is PM's fault for not having a mixture of players. Small, athletic guys are needed, but we need the guys who pack a punch too. (see SCAR's model since they're the premier program in the SEC) Having Nola alone will help us be near the top when you can take the Friday game just about every series.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 6:12 pm to Moustache
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I mean, we're not completely devoid of talent. But, it is PM's fault for not having a mixture of players. Small, athletic guys are needed, but we need the guys who pack a punch too. (see SCAR's model since they're the premier program in the SEC) Having Nola alone will help us be near the top when you can take the Friday game just about every series.
Right, but we've almost lost the last two games that Nola pitched in and have already lost one. Your theory has a shite ton of holes in it.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 6:13 pm to Broski
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Right, but we've almost lost the last two games that Nola pitched in and have already lost one. Your theory has a shite ton of holes in it.
Not really. We've almost blown them/lost them because we can't hit and have no pitchers except Nola.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 6:15 pm to Moustache
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We've almost blown them/lost them because we can't hit and have no pitchers except Nola.
Actually the Tennessee game saw the bats bail Nola out and then Foster and Stevenson's speed bailed out Nola and Broussard last Friday. To say we are only winning games because of a pitcher who only factors in a third of the season is dripping in fallacy.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 6:18 pm to Broski
You can say what you want, but the fact is that the new bats/balls make coaching more important. Not that Skip didn't coach, but he could wait for a few homers. No one has that luxury these days.
Problem LSU has is that PM over coaches. That hit and run today was awful.
Baseball is a game of percentages. Which puts PM in a tight spot. How often to "force" things. Or how often to let players play. PM is a good coach, but he forces too many situations.
Problem LSU has is that PM over coaches. That hit and run today was awful.
Baseball is a game of percentages. Which puts PM in a tight spot. How often to "force" things. Or how often to let players play. PM is a good coach, but he forces too many situations.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 6:20 pm to Screaming Viking
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PM is a good coach, but he forces too many situations.
You'd be surprised at how many coaches in this day and age do this.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 6:25 pm to Broski
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Actually the Tennessee game saw the bats bail Nola out and then Foster and Stevenson's speed bailed out Nola and Broussard last Friday. To say we are only winning games because of a pitcher who only factors in a third of the season is dripping in fallacy.
A pitcher who can win you roughly 1/3 of your games is fricking huge. It helps with momentum for the rest of the series, and baseball is a sport where any team can win any given night. Thus, if you can already pencil in 1/3 of your season as a win, then you're in damn good shape regardless of how talented you are at hitting.
The bats have been awful and I really can't understand how you are debating that.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 6:27 pm to Moustache
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A pitcher who can win you roughly 1/3 of your games is fricking huge.
But, something has to happen to, y'know, actually win those other games.
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and baseball is a sport where any team can win any given night
But the better teams usually win more series than they lose.
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Thus, if you can already pencil in 1/3 of your season as a win, then you're in damn good shape regardless of how talented you are at hitting.
You skip so many things in this to try and secure your argument that it is comical.
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The bats have been awful and I really can't understand how you are debating that.
I'm debating no such thing.
This post was edited on 5/4/14 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 5/4/14 at 6:36 pm to Broski
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But, something has to happen to, y'know, actually win those other games.
Right. I'm not saying we have no talent, as we certainly do have talent. I"m saying we have a terrible mix of talent. We only have Stevenson's and Fosters where if you need a big double, you'll never get it. We need a mixture like South Carolina and Florida have.
LSU's SEC record with NOla on the bump: 7-1
LSU's SEC record without Nola on the bump: 6-8-1
We're below .500 without him, which is about what a losing team sits at. Even a losing team wins ballgames against more talented teams. You realize that right? This isn't football.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 6:36 pm to Screaming Viking
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You can say what you want, but the fact is that the new bats/balls make coaching more important. Not that Skip didn't coach, but he could wait for a few homers. No one has that luxury these days. Problem LSU has is that PM over coaches. That hit and run today was awful.
Exactly what I have been saying for years. To be honest I don't have a problem with it most of the time. But in the 9th inning of a 1 run game when the leadoff guy gets on you have to stop taking chances and play the percentages.
He did it last year with Rhymes in the CWS and he did it today with Hale. Those at bats should be bunts. You need to get that guy to 2nd and take 2 cracks at it.
Even if Hales gets a hit you still need either another hit or a saf fly to tie it. That guy needs to be on second. Swinging away on a hunch or a hit and run is bad baseball in that situation.
You need to commit to small ball 100% in end of game situations with these bats and smaller players.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 6:38 pm to Moustache
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We're below .500 without him, which is about what a losing team sits at. Even a losing team wins ballgames against more talented teams. You realize that right? This isn't football.
But you're now assuming that if we threw someone else on Friday we'd lose all of those games.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 6:40 pm to ScottieP
We needed to play for the win in the 9th today. We didn't have the pitching left to win an extra inning game.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 6:40 pm to ScottieP
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You need to commit to small ball 100% in end of game situations with these bats and smaller players.
or just recruit some stronger players to go along with the small ball guys. We have a problem getting to 1st base. not much in game coaching you can do about that
Posted on 5/4/14 at 6:41 pm to Broski
I don't believe any H&W's. No way Bregman is 6-1
Posted on 5/4/14 at 6:42 pm to Broski
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But you're now assuming that if we threw someone else on Friday we'd lose all of those games.
No, but it's safe to say anyone other than a top 15 MLB draft pick would lose at least 2-3 more of those games, which puts tied for 8th in the SEC and 2nd to last in the SEC west.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 6:44 pm to Moustache
Also, Florida who has a better record than us, has a worse record on Friday nights than Nola does.
Vandy, who has a top 10 draft pick starting Fri. nights, has a worse record on Friday's than Nola does.
Vandy, who has a top 10 draft pick starting Fri. nights, has a worse record on Friday's than Nola does.
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