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This book is gonna cause controversy
Posted on 5/4/14 at 10:41 am
Posted on 5/4/14 at 10:41 am
So, I'm reading the book reviews in Saturday's WSJ. I notice that one of the reviewers is Charles Murray, prominent Libertarian and co-author of The Bell Curve. The book is "A Troublesome Inheritance" by Nicholas Wade.
Here is the entire review:
LINK
It's long. The short story:
Lewotin's 1972 book saying that 'racial classification is a social construct with no genetic basis' is false.
Here is the entire review:
LINK
It's long. The short story:
Lewotin's 1972 book saying that 'racial classification is a social construct with no genetic basis' is false.
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Posted on 5/4/14 at 11:03 am to Zach
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Lewotin's 1972 book saying that 'racial classification is a social construct with no genetic basis' is false.
Is this news? Any fool can see the genetic basis of race and racial classification. Basic anthropology, as well as the human genome project, have proven this already.
What are you expecting to get out of these race themed threads, Zach?
Posted on 5/4/14 at 11:15 am to NoNameNeeded
In 2014, nobody is supposed to talk about the obvious reality of white achievement. Guilty white liberals and (some) minorities have effectively "won" the argument, so this phony bullshite of white privilege is what it's all about now.
Funny how whites have achieved more than their black counterparts all over the world FOREVER, though. Man, that white privilege sure is a powerful thing.
Funny how whites have achieved more than their black counterparts all over the world FOREVER, though. Man, that white privilege sure is a powerful thing.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 11:25 am to NoNameNeeded
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Is this news? Any fool can see the genetic basis of race and racial classification.
A lot of posters here agree with Lewotin.
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What are you expecting to get out of these race themed threads, Zach?
Just the enjoyment of bothering you.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 11:28 am to KCT
Well, just a heads up that this book is gonna get jumped on from a lot of corners. Because The Bell Curve wasn't about race and it caused quite a backlash. TBC is over 800 pages and less than 50 deal with race and IQ. But those 50 pages were what the critiques were focused on.
This whole book is about race and genetics.
This whole book is about race and genetics.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 11:59 am to NoNameNeeded
quote:
Basic anthropology, as well as the human genome project, have proven this already.
Well that claim would certainly be surprising to many anthropologists.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 12:28 pm to bencoleman
I don't see the problem in discussing it. Why have blacks as a whole lagged behind the other races in advancing their own societies? What's wrong with asking the question. Obviously around the world, blacks are lagging in everything except sports and entertainment. This certainly does not imply there are not exceptional individuals, but is it genetic or social. If social, why does it seem to cross borders, oceans, and classes? If blacks themselves want equality, is it not correct to explore the possibilities in order to achieve what they say they want?
ETA-and I understand the slippery slope of implying that an entire race is genetically inferior intellectually. I want to go on record to say that I never stated or implied as such before I am classified a racist white supremacist.
ETA-and I understand the slippery slope of implying that an entire race is genetically inferior intellectually. I want to go on record to say that I never stated or implied as such before I am classified a racist white supremacist.
This post was edited on 5/4/14 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 5/4/14 at 12:50 pm to bencoleman
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I wouldn't throw those achievements out at someone else unless I had done one of those myself.
Nice try, but I'm not the one claiming superiority over anybody. Plus I'm in the inferior group, so I don't even know if I was born with the mental ability to do any of that stuff!
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Posted on 5/4/14 at 12:52 pm to SmackoverHawg
That's what I would expect from you, onmymedical grind. You're always eager to blame discrimination against black people as being the cause of every problem that the black community has. But let someone mention the FACT that black people have never achieved on the same level as white people in the history of mankind, and your only (predictable) response is to play the race card.
How can it all be about white privilege, when blacks have never achieved on the same level with whites? You're trying to make white people a) responsible for all of the black community's ills, and 2) also responsible for guaranteeing that blacks, as a group, will henceforth achieve at the same level as whites, even though that has heretofore never, ever happened. Anywhere. That's more than a little ridiculous, wouldn't you say?
Like I said earlier, we should all fight for equal opportunity. But guaranteeing equal results? That's what this is really all about, and that's preposterous. The only way to ensure equal results is to ignore achievement, and that's simply wrong.
That's probably where we're headed, though.
How can it all be about white privilege, when blacks have never achieved on the same level with whites? You're trying to make white people a) responsible for all of the black community's ills, and 2) also responsible for guaranteeing that blacks, as a group, will henceforth achieve at the same level as whites, even though that has heretofore never, ever happened. Anywhere. That's more than a little ridiculous, wouldn't you say?
Like I said earlier, we should all fight for equal opportunity. But guaranteeing equal results? That's what this is really all about, and that's preposterous. The only way to ensure equal results is to ignore achievement, and that's simply wrong.
That's probably where we're headed, though.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 12:57 pm to KCT
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You're always eager to blame discrimination against black people as being the cause of every problem that the black community has.
Quote ONE SINGLE post of mine where I have ever done this. Just one. I have thousands to choose from.
Either you suck at reading, or you are confusing me for someone else. I have not ONCE blamed discrimination for every problem faced by blacks today. And if so, show me. I'll wait.
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Posted on 5/4/14 at 12:59 pm to KCT
quote:
You're trying to make white people a) responsible for all of the black community's ills, and 2) also responsible for guaranteeing that blacks, as a group, will henceforth achieve at the same level as whites, even though that has heretofore never, ever happened.
One post of mine where I have ever advocated for any of this stuff. Just one. I'll wait.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 1:05 pm to KCT
You should read Guns, Germs, and Steel.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 1:07 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:
quote:
You're always eager to blame discrimination against black people as being the cause of every problem that the black community has.
Quote ONE SINGLE post of mine where I have ever done this. Just one. I have thousands to choose from.
Either you suck at reading, or you are confusing me for someone else. I have not ONCE blamed discrimination for every problem faced by blacks today. And if so, show me. I'll wait.
Did you vote for Obama?
Posted on 5/4/14 at 1:09 pm to bamafan1001
Nope.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 1:12 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Nope.
I was just curious. Im not accusing you of anything. Ive never seen you post anything like that. I do get the impression you are pretty liberal but thats about it.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 1:16 pm to bamafan1001
I think its all relative. I'm sure many people on this board view me similarly. Many of my college friends view my oppositely. I consider myself more in the middle, conservative about some things, liberal about others.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 1:18 pm to onmymedicalgrind
fwiw I never really considered you a progressive/liberal in the traditional sense, just left-leaning
Posted on 5/4/14 at 1:20 pm to SmackoverHawg
quote:
Why have blacks as a whole lagged behind the other races in advancing their own societies?
You should also read Guns, Germs, and Steel.
I'm not saying it is the definitive answer to your question, but it does make a pretty compelling case to answer your question.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 1:23 pm to boosiebadazz
diamond tries to dismiss the intelligence gap in G/G/S, but he ignores the very likely explanation for why intelligence increases over time in society. the good news is that it can be advanced over time in societies. the bad news is that the gap exists in real time.
and this doesn't apply to any one race. even asian countries suffer from the issues, despite their reputation in the US today
and this doesn't apply to any one race. even asian countries suffer from the issues, despite their reputation in the US today
Posted on 5/4/14 at 1:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
I think the environmental and developmental factors affecting the evolution of societies having some effect on the intelligence gap (especially nutrition and how early the division of labor appears) makes more sense than the intelligence gap simply being 100% genetic.
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