re: Offseason Targets & Potential Homes for Gordon

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t's what you have to do now days. Our team is too cluttered with mid-level guys. We need a star to add to Davis and Holiday. In my mind, it should be a dominant front court player. That would allow Davis to expand his game out and reach his full potential.

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I'll give you that gordon(and to a lesser extent Ryno) are mid-level guys. I'm just in the mindset that sacrificing 2 mid-level guys+other assets for a guy that may or may not fit together with AD(Love isn't really a 5). If this was cousins or an elite 3 like George i'd be more willing.

AD is honestly fine where he's at,he'll develop a 3 point shot down the line(ala bosh) but I don't want him solely focusing on improving that aspect.

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I know you won't agree, but I think Gordon and Evans are a push. Evans would have better trade value due to his contract. Plus he's played with Martin and they have a good relationship, that might help the trade go through. Gordon would be a nice 4th scorer. At this point, I know he isn't going anywhere, so might as well let him play it out.

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Yeah we'll have to agree to disagree here. Gordon is only a better outside shooter right now(tyreke improved on this the season went on) and the rest of his game falls quite short of rekes.

Tyreke also showed well above average defensive skills:

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Though not typically respected for his defense, Tyreke Evans showed excellent lateral mobility on defense this season, despite other more team-focused measures that may indicate otherwise. Given all of the Pelicans’ injuries this season, using individual numbers may paint a better picture with a one-season sample size. Per SynergySports, Evans was an above average defender in both isolation and P&R ball-handler situations, as well as one of the best in the league in handoff plays. Things get a bit more dicey when he is matched up against shooters, but when Evans is one-on-one with the task of preventing his man from getting to the rim, he often succeeds.

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Tyreke may have slightly better trade value but he's worth much more to the pels imo.

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We would still have the MLE and some cap space. So if we resign Morrow, Roberts and Smith. Plus pick up Granger or Marion. We'd end up with..

Holiday/Roberts/Barea
Gordon/Morrow
Granger or Marion/Budinger
Davis/Smith
Love/Ajinca/Withey

That's a top 4 seed in the West next year, with two all-stars that are both top 10 players in the league.

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Yes but we'd still be below average at the 3 and EG is not the picture of health(smith too)

That bench wouldn't scare anyone either.

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Yes, it's a star driven league. If you have a chance to combine a top 5-10 player with Davis, then you need to do it..

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Sure but is it worth sacrifcing all of that depth+Solid players(Gordon/Evans/Ryno/Rivers and a possible pick)?

Jrue+Tyreke+AD are stars and we need to build around them.

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The D would work out, especially with Love's rebounding.

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That's what worries me, the "could" of the whole thing.

Yes offensively they'd be unstoppable but what about the defense?

Look i'm by no means against Klove but I have my concerns(the fit and what we'd give up)

I would add Toronto to the Home for Gordon list. They won't be a FA destination anytime soon thanks to snow and taxes and they have some expensive, little used guys on expirings that would actually be more productively used with Gordon. Seeing Demar Derozan trying to win the game the other night with a 3 pointer made me They need another scorer.


Toronto
- Landry Fields - $6.2 million expiring ($8.5 million due to him, was a poison pill) that played in just 30 games this season. Fields showed a lot of potential as a rookie and just fell off the map after that. Could be a good reclamation project.
- Chuck Hayes - $6 million expiring bench big. Undersized and overpaid but a career plus rebounder who might be a good stop gap "starting" center.

Yeah, I'm on the fence with Love. Like I said, durability and being a rental are legit concerns, BUT, if you need to add a top 20 player to this mix to become a contender, which is debatable, I think Love is the most obvious target on the horizon.

I have no doubt that Davis and Love would make a good duo. My concern would be, as you mentioned, trading for a rental. Giving up assets and playmakers for a year or two of Love is not worth it. Giving up assets and playmakers for five years of Love probably is.

Jrue, Love, and Davis would be hard to beat. The only problem would be having enough money to fill out the roster with guys who aren't black holes on offense, like Aminu.

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If Anderson can come back healthy, I'd rather spend money/assets elsewhere than Love. They have similar games. Love is a little tougher, but Anderson is a lot cheaper.

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"Similar games", yes. But Love is head and shoulders above any other stretch 4 in the league. He revolutionized that role.

But generally I agree with you. I would rather Anderson's production on his contract.

Love needs 20 shots a game, too. We would basically be starting over if we brought him in as far as defining roles on this team goes. At this point, I think we have our core and are now adding complimentary pieces.

I think they would have to send more salary than Perkins. They will be over the cap next year (around $67MM). Can they make a trade that will add another $6 million in salary?

I don't see them trading for Gordon, but that may just be me. I'll add them to the list though.

Considering none of these message board scenarios ever play out either

Love has an option for 15/16, just like Gordon. He would just have to agree to pick-up his option (ala Paul and the Clippers after the trade). If it didn't work out, we'd head into the summer of 16 with a ton of cap space (around 30M). So we could add or subtract pieces at that time. I would think we would be a contendor by then, so he might be tempted to stay. Either way, the team has to roll the dice and take some chances somewhere down the line..

One of the articles I had read was that Mirotic was playing so well this year he could get $7-$8 million to stay in Europe. I believe that was some Bulls Blogger so who knows how true that is. If they can get him on the MLE then a Boozer for Gordon trade would be something they consider.