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Which losing presidential candidate of the 2000"s ran the worst campaign?
Posted on 4/20/14 at 6:51 am
Posted on 4/20/14 at 6:51 am
Let's limit this to the candidates that won their nomination, but lost the election (Gore, Kerry, McCain, and Romney)
Gore actually won the popular vote and came very close to winning the election so for me this is between Kerry and McCain. McCain performed wore at the ballots, but I'm not so sure that the answer isn't Kerry.
Back in 04 I was actually looking for a reason to not vote for Bush (because of the patriot act and Iraq), but Kerry came off as such a slimeball., that I just couldn't bring myself to do it. I think a lot of the middle of the road and independent voters were looking for a reason to not give Bush a second term. As close as that election was I don't think Kerry would have even come close in any other election.
McCain was pretty bad too though. Although he was up against somebody that I feel would have beaten most R candidates that year with the momentum he had, he made some pretty bad campaign decisions.
There is a small part of me that wishes Kerry would have won in 04. As bad of a president as he would have made, I don't think he would have won a 2nd term and I don't know if he would have gotten as much benefit of the doubt as Obama has from the media. Plus the Obama hype train would have been derailed for at least 4 years as Kerry would have been the one running for the D' s in 08.
IDK, What do y'all think?
*Edited for clarity
Gore actually won the popular vote and came very close to winning the election so for me this is between Kerry and McCain. McCain performed wore at the ballots, but I'm not so sure that the answer isn't Kerry.
Back in 04 I was actually looking for a reason to not vote for Bush (because of the patriot act and Iraq), but Kerry came off as such a slimeball., that I just couldn't bring myself to do it. I think a lot of the middle of the road and independent voters were looking for a reason to not give Bush a second term. As close as that election was I don't think Kerry would have even come close in any other election.
McCain was pretty bad too though. Although he was up against somebody that I feel would have beaten most R candidates that year with the momentum he had, he made some pretty bad campaign decisions.
There is a small part of me that wishes Kerry would have won in 04. As bad of a president as he would have made, I don't think he would have won a 2nd term and I don't know if he would have gotten as much benefit of the doubt as Obama has from the media. Plus the Obama hype train would have been derailed for at least 4 years as Kerry would have been the one running for the D' s in 08.
IDK, What do y'all think?
*Edited for clarity
This post was edited on 4/20/14 at 3:52 pm
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 6:58 am to Wolf
quote:Romney.
Let's limit this to the candidates that won their nomination, but lost the election (Gore, Kerry, and McCain)
Of the four, he had by far the greatest opportunity, and did the least with it.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 6:58 am to Wolf
Obama
ETA: after skimming the tl;dr - the worst "campaign" candidate was Romney. He was handed the election from day one and threw it away.
Worst candidate by way of ideals - Gore followed very closely by Kerry. Look at Gore's effect on climate change...imagine if he was president.
ETA: after skimming the tl;dr - the worst "campaign" candidate was Romney. He was handed the election from day one and threw it away.
Worst candidate by way of ideals - Gore followed very closely by Kerry. Look at Gore's effect on climate change...imagine if he was president.
This post was edited on 4/20/14 at 7:02 am
Posted on 4/20/14 at 7:04 am to Wolf
McCain is pretty shitty. Couldn't even beat Obama after all of the radical connections came out. Get his long time preacher controversy. Have his Bill Ayers connections. His inexperience. And still couldn't pull it out.
However, I now see that McCain is a piece of shite.
However, I now see that McCain is a piece of shite.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 7:11 am to theunknownknight
Mittens disappointed me the worst. He had a record to rail obama on and he whipped him in the first debate but then stopped. I would expect a man with as much money as him to run a better campaign than that. His manager needs to go down as one of the worst in history.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 7:14 am to Wolf
McCain would have had a better shot without Palin, IYAM. I don't know if he would have won, because he was bucking a strong anti-GOP tide, but Palin dragged him down. No fricking way were centrists going to put her a heartbeat away from the presidency.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 7:18 am to theunknownknight
quote:
Romney
I was talking about the decade ending in 2010 so i wan't including Romney, but i can see how that wasn't clear though. I would agree with you though since we are including him.
quote:
ETA: after skimming the tl;dr
How short of an attention span do you have that my OP was too long? Posted on 4/20/14 at 7:19 am to Jim Rockford
quote:McCain would have lost by 3-5 points more had it not been for Palin. In '08 McCain couldn't have attracted an audience of more than a dozen or two to his campaign events. He had to piggyback on to Palin's popularity. Hell, in '08 McCain couldn't have attracted a decent crowd, even if the venue was a pregame LSU campus tailgate and the subject was LSU Football.
McCain would have had a better shot without Palin
From a political stance McCain was death warmed over.
Palin was at least a flame to do the warming.
This post was edited on 4/20/14 at 7:24 am
Posted on 4/20/14 at 7:23 am to Wolf
Obama. Bush.
Speculation of candidates not elected doesn't carry much weight for me. The two that were elected have a definite track record to be judged.
Speculation of candidates not elected doesn't carry much weight for me. The two that were elected have a definite track record to be judged.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 7:47 am to Homesick Tiger
A really depressing thought would be to go back to 2000, know that from Gore the dems would keep throwing up candidates progressively (haha!) worse than him (and any other they had in the last 50 years - significant for the party of LBJ, McGovern, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis) and that one would actually win in the not too distant future.
I have always thought the Republicans have gone the milquetoast appeasement route except for Reagan while the dems consistently find the biggest kook in their party 75% of the time, but up until now the country wasn't stupid enough to elect one of them.
Hell, even if a Republican wins next time, he'll just mostly do a holding pattern and our shite media will tear him down at every opportunity so that we elect another kook to continue the destruction in no more than 8 years.
I have always thought the Republicans have gone the milquetoast appeasement route except for Reagan while the dems consistently find the biggest kook in their party 75% of the time, but up until now the country wasn't stupid enough to elect one of them.
Hell, even if a Republican wins next time, he'll just mostly do a holding pattern and our shite media will tear him down at every opportunity so that we elect another kook to continue the destruction in no more than 8 years.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 7:49 am to gthog61
quote:
even if a Republican wins next time, he'll just mostly do a holding pattern and our shite media will tear him down at every opportunity so that we elect another kook to continue the destruction in no more than 8 years.
No doubt.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 8:31 am to Homesick Tiger
Quality of candidate from worst to best:
McCain
Kerry
Obama
Bush
Gore
Romney
This list is based on who I think would have done well (did well) as President. All in all, a very shitty decade for Presidential nominees. Reagan, HW Bush, and Clinton were all better than everyone on this list.
McCain
Kerry
Obama
Bush
Gore
Romney
This list is based on who I think would have done well (did well) as President. All in all, a very shitty decade for Presidential nominees. Reagan, HW Bush, and Clinton were all better than everyone on this list.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 8:43 am to Antonio Moss
quote:Ah, that would be a different premise. I'd stack that (worst to best)
This list is based on who I think would have done well (did well) as President.
McCain
Gore
Obama
Kerry
Romney
Bush
Posted on 4/20/14 at 8:54 am to Wolf
quote:Worst flat out, as in just ran a terrible campaign or worse possible President?
Who was the worst Presidential candidate of the 2000's?
If the former, McCain in a walk. If the latter, Obama. LOL, we had a hell of a choice that year!!
But, as some have pointed out, Romney probably had the easiest road to victory and managed to screw the pooch, so, he's gotta be in the discussion.
As much crap as we give Gore on here, I'd say he was the third worst recent Dem nominee after Obama and Kerry.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:12 am to ShortyRob
Going with worst possible president, I'll take bush and Kerry. Kerry just seemed like an idiot and we know how bad bush fricked up. His tax cuts and economic policy are the reason the dems have been in power ever since. Country is just now recovering from Bush's frick ups and the debt may never recover, Bush's economic stupidity was so damn bad. And even his own people told him the second round of tax cuts were a horrible idea but he didn't care.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:14 am to Wolf
Sometimes it appeared McCain wanted to lose.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:15 am to Jim Rockford
quote:
but Palin dragged him down.
Revisionist history IMO. She excited the base at the time. McCain dragged himself down.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:15 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
quote:
Country is just now recovering from Bush's frick ups and the debt may never recover, Bush's economic stupidity was so damn bad. And even his own people told him the second round of tax cuts were a horrible idea but he didn't care.
Obama makes Bush look like Adam Smith. Bush was terrible but Obama may be the worst economic president in US history.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:17 am to bamafan1001
quote:Yeah.
Sometimes it appeared McCain wanted to lose.
His primary problem is that his only real chance was to convince people that he in fact was conservative when all he really presented was a slightly less liberal version of the other guy. A WHOLE LOT of people who may have had a tendency to vote for McCain simply did exactly as one would expect, vote for the more liberal guy. Meanwhile, a good many people sat home.
You really can't run as "the other guy lite". People who like that, will vote for the other guy.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:19 am to Jim Rockford
quote:
McCain would have had a better shot without Palin, IYAM. I don't know if he would have won, because he was bucking a strong anti-GOP tide, but Palin dragged him down. No fricking way were centrists going to put her a heartbeat away from the presidency.
I disagree. The only time J-Mac pulled even in the polls was the brief time between when he chose Palin and when the financial meltdown hit. Once the financial meltdown happened it was game over.
I partly agree with the OP that we might have been better off in the long run if Kerry had beaten Bush. The financial meltdown would still have happened, but it would have been on Kerry's watch and the D's would have taken a beating in 2008. But that comes with its own set of problems:
1) Rehnquist still dies in 2005, and instead of a sellout like Roberts we get an out and out statist hack like Ginsburg/Breyer/Kagan.
2) Kerry cuts and runs in Iraq and turns it into a much worse Charlie Foxtrot than it was under Bush.
3) The 2008 GOP wave emboldens the establishment Republicans so we get the same idiocy we got from the Bush/Frist/Hastert braintrust.
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