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Planning urged to prepare for La.’s chemical boom
Posted on 4/19/14 at 7:26 am
Posted on 4/19/14 at 7:26 am
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Planning urged to prepare for La.’s chemical boom
TIMOTHY BOONE
tboone@theadvocate.com
With nearly $84 billion in petrochemical plant construction projects and thousands of workers in the pipeline for Louisiana over the next few years, officials say it is time to start planning how to handle the impending boom.
“We better get ready,” said Boo Thomas, president and CEO of the Center for Planning Excellence . “We have thousands of new workers coming. Where are they going to live? Where are they going to get their McDonald’s? Where are they going to get their healthy food?” she said during a panel discussion Wednesday at the 2013 Louisiana Smart Growth Summit in the Shaw Center for the Arts.
Dan Borné, president of the Louisiana Chemical Association, described it as one of the “great tsunamis of investment” to happen in U.S. history.
An ample supply of cheap natural gas has triggered the boom, with most of the activity centered between Baton Rouge and New Orleans and around Lake Charles.
Susana Schowen, a workforce initiatives manager for the Louisiana economic development department, said the state will need an estimated 130,000 workers by 2020 to build all of the new industrial projects on the horizon. It won’t be just craft workers such as welders and carpenters. Engineers, managers, accountants and support staff will also be needed, she said.
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Posted on 4/19/14 at 7:31 am to TigersOfGeauxld
Posted on 4/19/14 at 7:33 am to TigersOfGeauxld
Lake Charles has been getting ready. Major infrastructure improvements, temporary and permanent housing, restaurants, etc. Boo Thomas needs to take her head out of her arse.
ETA: article is 6 months old.
ETA: article is 6 months old.
This post was edited on 4/19/14 at 7:35 am
Posted on 4/19/14 at 7:34 am to TigersOfGeauxld
We need more than just jobs from these industries. There has to be some sort of export tax on the shite they make here. We're not just a dump for by products and bad air. frick plant jobs if you leave us with cancer alley.
This post was edited on 4/19/14 at 7:35 am
Posted on 4/19/14 at 7:36 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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with most of the activity centered between Baton Rouge and New Orleans and around Lake Charles.
I think $65 Billion of that $84 is going to be in the Lake Charles/SWLA area alone.
They are predicting something like 20k more people moving to LC in the next 3 years, and considering that the projects all span over the next 10 years, there is no telling how many more will come.
This post was edited on 4/19/14 at 7:41 am
Posted on 4/19/14 at 7:38 am to Gaston
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We need more than just jobs from these industries. There has to be some sort of export tax on the shite they make here. We're not just a dump for by products and bad air. frick plant jobs if you leave us with cancer alley.
Are you serious, Clark?
Posted on 4/19/14 at 7:40 am to TigersOfGeauxld
EXPAND HWY 30!!!!
Posted on 4/19/14 at 7:43 am to Spirit of Dunson
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EXPAND HWY 30!!!!
I hadn't thought of that...definitely needs to be done.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 7:43 am to stout
You're right, frick it. Trash the place as long as Bobby can buy a bass boat with his overtime money.
Tell me the highest point in Louisiana isn't some waste pile that has to be continuously watered so it doesn't get dispersed.
Tell me the highest point in Louisiana isn't some waste pile that has to be continuously watered so it doesn't get dispersed.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 7:48 am to Gaston
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Tell me the highest point in Louisiana isn't some waste pile that has to be continuously watered so it doesn't get dispersed.
I learned in grade school it was poverty point
Posted on 4/19/14 at 7:51 am to Gaston
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You're right, frick it. Trash the place as long as Bobby can buy a bass boat with his overtime money.
You act like the taxes from the ongoing jobs directly and indirectly created from this, the taxes on products sold to support these projects, etc isn't enough to justify the huge boom this will be for Louisiana.
That's not counting the taxes that these refineries do pay as it is.
If it bothers you so maybe you should move to a state like Cali that has killed off all of it's industry with it's unfriendly business taxes and is on the verge of being bankrupt. Cali has huge taxes and penalties on air pollution too and look what good that has done for them. Smog everywhere and a dwindling tax base to do anything about it. I just read an article where Cali isn't even number one in the world in movie making anymore. Guess who is though? Louisiana.
Or maybe you can move to Detroit where taxes and unions have forever drained and killed any chance of that state ever having any thriving industrial production facility ever again.
If you want to be upset about something, you should be more upset Louisiana gets raped so hard on it's offshore drilling royalties. That is far more damaging to us than anything IMO.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 7:55 am to stout
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If you want to be upset about something, you should be more upset Louisiana gets raped so hard on it's offshore drilling royalties. That is far more damaging to us than anything IMO.
This. I agree with this completely.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 7:59 am to stout
Texas is different in what gets made, but we still do suffer air quality issues from them.
Companies use natural gas to create things here. They mine raw products from Florida, then ship it here to use the natural gas to make fertilizer. It creates a ton of bad shite. PVC...
It doesn't really matter, and I'm sure things are done more correctly now, but when Edwin created industrial jobs we all got fricked. The state stands more to gain than jobs and that's my point. If you created something here, you left something undesirable...you can't just walk away and leave the shite. I hope contracts are being written better this time around.
My family is from south of Lafayette, and say what you want about their lifestyle, but if you look at the cancer deaths on the family tree it is unreal.
Companies use natural gas to create things here. They mine raw products from Florida, then ship it here to use the natural gas to make fertilizer. It creates a ton of bad shite. PVC...
It doesn't really matter, and I'm sure things are done more correctly now, but when Edwin created industrial jobs we all got fricked. The state stands more to gain than jobs and that's my point. If you created something here, you left something undesirable...you can't just walk away and leave the shite. I hope contracts are being written better this time around.
My family is from south of Lafayette, and say what you want about their lifestyle, but if you look at the cancer deaths on the family tree it is unreal.
This post was edited on 4/19/14 at 8:01 am
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:04 am to Gaston
I completely agree that more needs to be done to prevent health issues as a result of industry.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:04 am to Gaston
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but when Edwin created industrial jobs we all got fricked.
The EPA laws these refineries have to adhere to are a lot more stringent now than the 80's. Technology has also advanced to a point that things are cleaner and safer now. Not saying it's perfect but you're acting like things haven't evolved in nearly 20 years.
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My family is from south of Lafayette, and say what you want about their lifestyle, but if you look at the cancer deaths on the family tree it is unreal.
Speculation unless you have statistics from other states or areas that do not have large concentrations of refineries to compare it to.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:07 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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I completely agree that more needs to be done to prevent health issues as a result of industry.
It's easy to sit here and say that but what things? Be specific instead of using broad generalizations. What do you think the refineries should change about their production to make the air quality better?
I'm not saying I disagree but I am genuinely curious as to what you would reasonably change.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:12 am to stout
So billionaire in NYC wants to open in a plant in La, use out states resources, water and natural gas, to create a product for export, inevitably leave by product here, and just some low level plant jobs are what we get. Are these resources unlimited? Does it have no impact? Just use us up, make your money, then leave the shite and go into another venture in a third world country somewhere?
I'm with you, cone on down...but if you aren't giving Edwin 50 million for the sweet contract then can we use it for something else?
I'm with you, cone on down...but if you aren't giving Edwin 50 million for the sweet contract then can we use it for something else?
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:12 am to stout
Family tree is destroyed by cancer, and you're blaming chemical plants?
Cancer destroys families in Wyoming as well, been destroying families all over the world since the beginning of time. Life expectancy is damn near 80 years old when it use to be 50.
Cancer destroys families in Wyoming as well, been destroying families all over the world since the beginning of time. Life expectancy is damn near 80 years old when it use to be 50.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:13 am to TigersOfGeauxld
Planning in general to support our states economic engine should have started years ago in the form of a real push for training. A real vo-tech program that begins in high school and then gets a person totally trained in a few years after graduating needs to be a priority.
Texas is going through an even bigger boom than this.
Texas is going through an even bigger boom than this.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:14 am to stout
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I'm not saying I disagree but I am genuinely curious as to what you would reasonably change.
This would be a start: U.S. Eyes European Safety Standards for Oil Refineries
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"Refineries all over the United States are dangerous," United Steelworkers Local 13-12 spokesman Bob Landry said last week. He worked at ExxonMobil's chemical plant in Baton Rouge for 36 years before retiring in 2008. The plant uses feedstock from the company's oil refinery there. Landry, a former president of Local 13-12, said large European refineries that he visited have better safety records than their Louisiana counterparts.
What makes Europe safer? For one thing, the EU adopted the Seveso directive in 1982 after a 1976 chemical plant explosion in Seveso, Italy. Under it, EU states must see that refineries and other companies using or producing chemicals have policies in place to prevent accidents. That approach is proactive, with safety viewed as a precondition to operating.
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