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Snowden and Putin really throwing it down on us now.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:06 am
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:06 am
I had sympathy for Snowden when we initially went after him but I have difficulty siding with him when he openly humiliates us together with one of our enemies. I know he has a legitimate ax to grind but he is truly walking the treason tightrope in my opinion.
[quote]Edward Snowden, the former NSA contractor who leaked details of U.S. intelligence eavesdropping, asked Putin a question during the televised call-in show, Reuters reported. According to the report, this exchange was the first known direct contact between Snowden and Putin since Russia granted Snowden asylum last summer. Snowden reportedly submitted his question in a video clip and it was not immediately clear if he was speaking live or if it had been recorded earlier."Does Russia intercept, store or analyze, in any way, the communications of millions of individuals?" Snowden said, also asking whether Putin thinks improving the effectiveness of investigations justifies "placing societies .. under surveillance."Putin, who was a spy during Soviet rule, said: "You are an ex-agent. I used to have ties to intelligence."According to Reuters, Putin said Russia regulates communications as part of criminal probes, but "on a massive scale, on an uncontrolled scale we certainly do not allow this and I hope we will never allow it."Putin said authorities need consent from a court to conduct such surveillance on a specific individual, Reuters reported.
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[quote]Edward Snowden, the former NSA contractor who leaked details of U.S. intelligence eavesdropping, asked Putin a question during the televised call-in show, Reuters reported. According to the report, this exchange was the first known direct contact between Snowden and Putin since Russia granted Snowden asylum last summer. Snowden reportedly submitted his question in a video clip and it was not immediately clear if he was speaking live or if it had been recorded earlier."Does Russia intercept, store or analyze, in any way, the communications of millions of individuals?" Snowden said, also asking whether Putin thinks improving the effectiveness of investigations justifies "placing societies .. under surveillance."Putin, who was a spy during Soviet rule, said: "You are an ex-agent. I used to have ties to intelligence."According to Reuters, Putin said Russia regulates communications as part of criminal probes, but "on a massive scale, on an uncontrolled scale we certainly do not allow this and I hope we will never allow it."Putin said authorities need consent from a court to conduct such surveillance on a specific individual, Reuters reported.
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Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:10 am to DanTiger
I understand people having different views on Snowden but I'm not certain why this exchange with Putin would be a catalyst for changing those views. For me, I appreciate what he has brought to light.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:12 am to Jay Quest
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I understand people having different views on Snowden but I'm not certain why this exchange with Putin would be a catalyst for changing those views. For me, I appreciate what he has brought to light.
I do as well but this is an obvious propaganda piece meant to embarrass the United States and he seems to be happily participating.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:14 am to DanTiger
I still don't care... I'm glad Snowden did what he did to expose the US Government for what they were doing to their own citizens.
Did he break the law? Yes
Has what he did cost the life of a US Citizen? No
Did he break the law? Yes
Has what he did cost the life of a US Citizen? No
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:15 am to DanTiger
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I do as well but this is an obvious propaganda piece meant to embarrass the United States and he seems to be happily participating.
Not defending him, but we don't know the terms of his arrangement with Russia? He might be saying these things under threat of harm or as a part of his agreement to not be deported?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:18 am to DanTiger
I understand but, IMHO, our government needs to be embarrassed and ridiculed for spying on its own people. I don't feel an ounce of resentment towards Snowden for ridiculing our government or our leaders who sanction this kind of intrusion into our lives.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:27 am to Jay Quest
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I understand but, IMHO, our government needs to be embarrassed and ridiculed for spying on its own people. I don't feel an ounce of resentment towards Snowden for ridiculing our government or our leaders who sanction this kind of intrusion into our lives
I agree.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:32 am to Mo Jeaux
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I agree.
while i agree, doing it with putin not so much
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:33 am to DanTiger
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I do as well but this is an obvious propaganda piece meant to embarrass the United States and he seems to be happily participating.
Maybe we NEED to be embarrassed
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:35 am to Jay Quest
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I understand but, IMHO, our government needs to be embarrassed and ridiculed for spying on its own people. I don't feel an ounce of resentment towards Snowden for ridiculing our government or our leaders who sanction this kind of intrusion into our lives.
The best analogy I can think of for this would be that I can make fun of my brother but if you make fun of him we are going to fight. I don't believe it is OK to embarrass the United States with one of our enemies. This serves no purpose other thn to further Russian policy and undermine the position of the United States on the world stage. I realize this one event will not accomplish any such thing but it does aid that cause. Snowden has already let us know of the wrongs the NSA has done so what is the point of helping Russia rub it in? Does his action help or hurt the United States?
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 10:37 am
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:38 am to DanTiger
Still don't understand how someone can go to bat for this fricking douche bag. Says frick the U.S., he wants to live in a democratic country that respects the privacy rights of its citizens, then abruptly catches a plane from Hong Kong to Russia.
And now he's bellying up to one of the worst authoritarians in the world. I hope somebody puts a fricking bullet through his head.
And now he's bellying up to one of the worst authoritarians in the world. I hope somebody puts a fricking bullet through his head.
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 10:39 am
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:39 am to DanTiger
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Does his action help or hurt the United States?
In my opinion a constant reminder of what our government has become can only benefit us as citizens.
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undermine the position of the United States on the world stage.
That ship has left port and Snowden is not to blame.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:40 am to DanTiger
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Snowden has already let us know of the wrongs the NSA has done so what is the point of helping Russia rub it in?
He hates America. Plain and simple. Otherwise he wouldn't share covert military secrets with countries and entities that wish to do the U.S. harm .. secrets and materiel that have nothing to do with spying on American citizens. The guy's a narcissistic Communist piece of shite.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:41 am to DanTiger
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Putin said: "I used to have ties to intelligence."
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:42 am to Rohan2Reed
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he wants to live in a democratic country that respects the privacy rights of its citizens, then abruptly catches a plane from Hong Kong to Russia.
LOL
So you fault him for fleeing to one of the only countries that won't ship him back to the US where he would be black bagged?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:44 am to Jay Quest
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In my opinion a constant reminder of what our government has become can only benefit us as citizens.
I don't believe that is his motivation any longer. I also don't believe that anyone has forgotten about the NSA spying and nobody is happy with it.
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That ship has left port and Snowden is not to blame.
I understand that but we are all still Americans and it is foolhardy, in my opinion, to ally with another country against us. Your family, I assume, lives here and you live here so to hell with Russia. No good will come of this.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:44 am to Paluka
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Putin said: "I used to have ties to intelligence."
For real. Ex-KGB colonel who has been directly responsible for the deaths of his fellow Russian citizens, throws people in jail for disagreeing with him, foments violence in neighboring countries, arms a Syrian government who is executing its own citizens... what a great and just man. More American "patriots" should cozy up to Putin. What a defender of freedom.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:45 am to Lsut81
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LOL
So you fault him for fleeing to one of the only countries that won't ship him back to the US where he would be black bagged?
Yep. He's a hypocrite and a coward. There were many other avenues he could have taken to expose the NSA spying apparatus. Fleeing to an enemy country and continue to expose sensitive military data that has nothing to do with violations of civil liberties. Sorry, but if you find him to still be some kind of a hero you're a fricking chump.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:46 am to theunknownknight
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Maybe we NEED to be embarrassed
If I was an alien looking down on Earth I would agree with you but I am an American and so the interests of this country are, by far, the most important thing to me. Internal problems will not be corrected by external forces. This will only hurt is.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:49 am to DanTiger
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Your family, I assume, lives here
They do live here and that's why I value Mr. Snowden's revelations.
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I don't believe that is his motivation any longer.
It was his sole motivation. An angry and vengeful U.S. government forced him to flee.
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