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How Government ruins private industry to control land
Posted on 4/15/14 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 4/15/14 at 4:47 pm
Here is a personal anecdote from a conversation I had at lunch today...it really shows how the Government puts manufacturing and industry out of business and makes people dependent on them.
I'll start with a little background of the company...Allen Canning Co in Moorhead, MS. Large Canning manufacturer that was located in a town of about 4,000 residents. Only industry in the town except for some nearby catfish farms and a catfish feed mill, and a protein products plant. Allen Canning closed about 5 years ago. I never knew why until today.
Apparently while in operation the company had manmade ponds in which they pumped their waste water into. Gov't regulation gets imposed, requiring them to have specific water treatment and then pipe the water into the Sunflower River (about 6 miles away). The company can't afford to do that so they have to close.
Fast forward to now...the property (90 acres) was sold today. One person bought out the entire place....it would cost too much to renovate and reopen the plant to meet the regulatory standards.
So what's their plan with the property? Since the property tax on it is 50k a year, they are going to demolish it and put it into "agriculture land" to avoid the property tax and put the land into a Government program which pays a certain amount per acre
Sad country we live in today
I'll start with a little background of the company...Allen Canning Co in Moorhead, MS. Large Canning manufacturer that was located in a town of about 4,000 residents. Only industry in the town except for some nearby catfish farms and a catfish feed mill, and a protein products plant. Allen Canning closed about 5 years ago. I never knew why until today.
Apparently while in operation the company had manmade ponds in which they pumped their waste water into. Gov't regulation gets imposed, requiring them to have specific water treatment and then pipe the water into the Sunflower River (about 6 miles away). The company can't afford to do that so they have to close.
Fast forward to now...the property (90 acres) was sold today. One person bought out the entire place....it would cost too much to renovate and reopen the plant to meet the regulatory standards.
So what's their plan with the property? Since the property tax on it is 50k a year, they are going to demolish it and put it into "agriculture land" to avoid the property tax and put the land into a Government program which pays a certain amount per acre
Sad country we live in today
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Posted on 4/15/14 at 4:52 pm to deltaland
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Sad country we live in today
Posted on 4/15/14 at 4:56 pm to deltaland
So, I'm taking from this that you think it's OK to have untreated open air cesspools?
Posted on 4/15/14 at 5:02 pm to Rex
Did he ever say the waste water wasnt treated?
Posted on 4/15/14 at 5:02 pm to Rex
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So, I'm taking from this that you think it's OK to have untreated open air cesspools?
Well, we have you, so I'm going with...no.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 5:02 pm to Rex
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I'm taking from this that you think it's OK to have untreated open air cesspools?
The company was there for 30 years and it never hurt anything. All it was was a manmade pond with aeration to allow the waste to settle and dissolve.
It went from 90 acres of land with hundreds of tax paying employees to 90 acres of Government welfare that will produce absolutely nothing. But I'm sure you're ok with that. All those ex employees can just draw food stamps and an EBT card now right?
Posted on 4/15/14 at 5:08 pm to deltaland
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The company was there for 30 years and it never hurt anything. All it was was a manmade pond with aeration to allow the waste to settle and dissolve.
This is one of (if not the) most important steps in water purification and is a component in nearly 100% of all water treatment facilities. It wasn't just harmless, it was above and beyond.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 5:09 pm to Rex
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So, I'm taking from this that you think it's OK to have untreated open air cesspools?
You must have majored in strawman construction.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 5:10 pm to Rex
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So, I'm taking from this that you think it's OK to have untreated open air cesspools?
Mmmmmm. Sounds great. GOP loves protecting companies who spill Coal ash in the Dan River(North Carolina) contaminating drinking water . Coal chemicals wasted into the Elk River(West River) contaminating drinking water there as well.
It seems the nuts won't quit with this villainization /undermining of the EPA until they can return to the good old days of the Cuyahoga River(Cleveland) burning due to industrial pollution.
This post was edited on 4/15/14 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 4/15/14 at 5:10 pm to deltaland
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The company was there for 30 years and it never hurt anything.
Maybe, maybe not... and maybe there was a potential for harm, too. That's why we have an EPA... to protect this country from the filthy, unhealthy place it had become. See the smog in Los Angeles, the toxic fiery crap along the Texas Gulf coast, the Ohio and Cuyahoga Rivers catching fire, the cancer rate in Calcasieu Parish, and other crap too numerous to mention before institution of an Environmental Protection Agency.
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But I'm sure you're ok with that.
I'm not OK with destroying somebody's jobs just for the hell of it. I'm certain there's more than just your side of the story.
This post was edited on 4/15/14 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 4/15/14 at 5:11 pm to sugar71
I guess it's easy to ignore the fact that it was government courts during the Industrial Revolution that largely inhibited individuals ability to sue companies for damages to person and property, in the name of the 'common good'.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 5:17 pm to deltaland
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Apparently while in operation the company had manmade ponds in which they pumped their waste water into. Gov't regulation gets imposed, requiring them to have specific water treatment and then pipe the water into the Sunflower River (about 6 miles away). The company can't afford to do that so they have to close.
Good. That's the cost of doing business. If you can't meet the minimum requirements, too bad.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 5:22 pm to sugar71
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Mmmmmm. Sounds great. GOP loves protecting companies who spill Coal ash in the Dan River terminating drinking water . Coal chemicals wasted into the Elk River contaminating drinking water there as well.
Some of you people are so fricking dumb.
This was a company who canned vegetables. They had manmade ponds, not connected to any water source, where they dumped waste water.
That isn't even close to dumping toxic waste directly into a river.
Let me clarify the details a little more btw..the entire town was moved it's wastewater treatment, which would then be piped to the river after treatment.
Allen Canning did their own wastewater management on site..they weren't in violation of any EPA pollution laws...the Gov't wanted them to connect to the city wastewater rather than let them do it themselves. Allen Canning would have had to pay for it. They couldn't afford it.
All the other industrial plants in the area still do their own wastewater management..only difference was this company was technically in city limits.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 5:23 pm to CamdenTiger
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So, I'm taking from this that you think it's OK to have untreated open air cesspools?
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Well, we have you, so I'm going with...no.
Now THIS ^ is funny as hell.
And accurate to a tee.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 5:25 pm to deltaland
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This was a company who canned vegetables. They had manmade ponds, not connected to any water source, where they dumped waste water.
That isn't even close to dumping toxic waste directly into a river.
Let me clarify the details a little more btw..the entire town was moved it's wastewater treatment, which would then be piped to the river after treatment.
According to your "friend." I'm sure that was the whole story.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 5:25 pm to TheOcean
But the treatment on site was already more than sufficient to keeping the water clean and the environment safe. Pumping it the 6 extra miles would have forced them to build a 6 mile long canal, completely disturbing the local ecosystem. This was a rule that would have done more harm than good to the environment if the business had complied with it. And, it put the company out of business. With the company out of business, the aeration ponds aren't running, causing those ponds to, in fact, become cesspools. In this way, the EPA created an environmental hazard AND destroyed the local economy. Talk about a heck of a two-fer. 
Posted on 4/15/14 at 5:26 pm to TheOcean
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Good. That's the cost of doing business. If you can't meet the minimum requirements, too bad.
You miss the point. The problem is the "minimum requirements" get changed to such a ridiculous point that it puts people out of business. Regulations can go too far and be to the point that they are absurd and not necessary.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 5:31 pm to deltaland
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You miss the point. The problem is the "minimum requirements" get changed to such a ridiculous point that it puts people out of business. Regulations can go too far and be to the point that they are absurd and not necessary.
It happens. Agencies know this when they create regs. They're just concerned with putting a majority of the industry out of business.
And let's not pretend that the agencies go inside some closed room and create these regs. Some of these regs take years and have a ton of input from industry leaders, other agencies, economists, scientists, etc. They're not perfect, though.
This post was edited on 4/15/14 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 4/15/14 at 5:35 pm to Rex
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So, I'm taking from this that you think it's OK to have untreated open air cesspools?
Oh no there is a pond that has water that was used to wash vegetables sitting in it.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 5:36 pm to TheOcean
No shite they're not perfect. The problem is that it's damn near impossible for them to admit mistakes and get rid of the regs once they're installed. So, unlike businesses who pay a price when they frick up, bureaucrats remain untouched.
This post was edited on 4/15/14 at 5:39 pm
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