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Tahj Jones incident and state of LSU program
Posted on 4/14/14 at 11:54 pm
Posted on 4/14/14 at 11:54 pm
It seems with the recent tragedy that some pundits / blogs are trying to connect this incident to the state of the LSU football program (bringing up recent issues with Brazil, Mathieu, Hill, Jefferson, etc.), even though the two men involved in this case are no longer student-athletes (the shooter being 13 years removed from LSU).
A thread like this has been started some time ago related to SEC programs and arrest numbers, but I thought I'd tie in to the discussion of the Jones shooting and update the stats.
Here's the number of arrest/citations from 2010 to date (per arrestnation.com):
Missouri - 20
Georgia - 19
Florida - 16
Tennessee - 16
TX A&M - 15
Ole Miss - 14
Arkansas - 13
Kentucky - 12
Alabama - 11
Auburn - 10
S. Carolina - 9
LSU - 6 (Mathieu not included b/c his arrest came post-LSU)
Miss St. - 6
Vandy - 3
The perception (in media and forums) seems to be that LSU leads the SEC in such incidents -- mainly due to the high profile cases (Hill, Jefferson, Mathieu), I suppose. But the facts seem to indicate otherwise.
A thread like this has been started some time ago related to SEC programs and arrest numbers, but I thought I'd tie in to the discussion of the Jones shooting and update the stats.
Here's the number of arrest/citations from 2010 to date (per arrestnation.com):
Missouri - 20
Georgia - 19
Florida - 16
Tennessee - 16
TX A&M - 15
Ole Miss - 14
Arkansas - 13
Kentucky - 12
Alabama - 11
Auburn - 10
S. Carolina - 9
LSU - 6 (Mathieu not included b/c his arrest came post-LSU)
Miss St. - 6
Vandy - 3
The perception (in media and forums) seems to be that LSU leads the SEC in such incidents -- mainly due to the high profile cases (Hill, Jefferson, Mathieu), I suppose. But the facts seem to indicate otherwise.
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 11:55 pm to gabzooks
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Vandy - 3
Posted on 4/14/14 at 11:57 pm to gabzooks
Posted on 4/14/14 at 11:58 pm to gabzooks
quote:I mean. I guess you could move one of these to lsu
Georgia - 19
Posted on 4/15/14 at 12:00 am to gabzooks
Got damn, we got work to do in order to catch up.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 12:44 am to gabzooks
These incidents are mostly related to the background of individual players and the people they hang out with, has little to do with the state of athletic program at a given school.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:48 am to CalTiger53
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These incidents are mostly related to the background of individual players and the people they hang out with, has little to do with the state of athletic program at a given school.
I agree. It's certainly stupid to tie these things to the state of a program. We could've had twice as many arrests and had we not lost Perriloux and Mathieu we'd probably have 2 more national championships.
But it is fun to see we're the best in the SEC (vandy players use Jedi mind tricks to explode cops brains before being arrested and there's nothing fun to do in Starkville so you might as well get arrested) and still hear that "Miles doesn't discipline".
Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:56 am to tgerb8
quote:whoa, 6 arrest in Starkville - must have something to do with un protective sex with a bovine.
nothing fun to do in Starkville so you might as well get arrested) and still hear that "Miles doesn't discipline".
Posted on 4/15/14 at 6:40 am to gabzooks
I haven't read or seen any reputable places saying LSU is some kind of breeding ground for criminal activity like you're saying
Posted on 4/15/14 at 7:40 am to jimbeam
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Vandy - 3
Well....Rape is still worse than weed, speeding, and petty theft which is what most of these offenses are.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 7:48 am to gabzooks
Bookmarked for future use on the SEC rant
Posted on 4/15/14 at 8:02 am to TexasTiger1185
Qualifying it as "reputable", then you're most likely correct.
I've heard chatter, nonetheless, ... radio and blogs.
I've heard chatter, nonetheless, ... radio and blogs.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 8:03 am to TexasTiger1185
You must have missed the articles that came with Jeremy hill last summer
Posted on 4/15/14 at 8:22 am to gabzooks
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The perception (in media and forums) seems to be that LSU leads the SEC in such incidents
no. I will argue that that is YOUR perception of THE perception. other schools think THE perception is about their schools. the thing is that there really is no universal perception as perception really involves the complex elements of bias.
however, THE perception of college football (and basketball and pro football and basketball as well) is that thugs are welcome to play. what feeds this perception is fact; shootings, stabbings, rape, robbery, etc. There is an unusually high number of felony's committed by athletes of certain sports (football and basketball). this is FACT. just compare with other athletes and society as a whole. i'm simply stating facts not launching any tirades about anything. so call me a racist, call me an old cynic, call me anything you want. i'm not talking dui's here, i'm talking crimes against others and it happens everywhere in every program.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 8:26 am to LSU GrandDad
How many times did you have to delete the n word while typing that up granddad?
Posted on 4/15/14 at 8:36 am to BilJ
Numbers don't lie. There is to much respect gained on the street by participating in criminal/gang activity. Whether it's black, hispanic, or white these kids think it's cool to be outlaws or whatever.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 8:43 am to LSU GrandDad
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I will argue that that is YOUR perception of THE perception.
Perception of perception of perception... on and on.
Point is national articles and news syndicates over the last five years have often used LSU as an example of high rate of such incidents. And certainly locally LSU has been represented as such. But the stats may show that LSU really isn't the "face" of such issues (though not from such occurrences)
Posted on 4/15/14 at 8:48 am to gabzooks
If it says anything about LSU, it is that Miles is not afraid to put his SUPERSTARS ahead of anyone else. When you have high profile players being kicked off the team, it always draws more attention than the walk on who is kicked off the team.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 8:55 am to Mie2cents
Case in point, all the people who talked about Jefferson's suspension and the "Jefferson incident," but forget that Josh Johns was also investigated and suspended for the same event.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 9:00 am to TigerFanNKaty
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Numbers don't lie. There is to much respect gained on the street by participating in criminal/gang activity. Whether it's black, hispanic, or white these kids think it's cool to be outlaws or whatever.
What numbers?
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