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Baseball pitching - How is a Win determined?
Posted by gotiger on 4/14/14 at 10:23 pm01
Santana pitches 6 innings and gives up 1 run. Braves are winning 5-1 going into the bottom of the 8th.
Enter Luis Avilan. Gives up 5 runs and the lead.
Braves hit Grand Slam in 9th and Avilan all of a sudden is credited with a W on the stat sheet.
Can someone explain how this is logical?
Enter Luis Avilan. Gives up 5 runs and the lead.
Braves hit Grand Slam in 9th and Avilan all of a sudden is credited with a W on the stat sheet.
Can someone explain how this is logical?
re: Baseball pitching - How is a Win determined?Posted by CountryVolFan on 4/14/14 at 10:25 pm to gotiger
Wins are only important for HoF voters and Arbitration judges.
As soon as Santana left and another pitcher came in to start an inning with no one on base, Santana cannot be given a loss. Had the game ended without the grand slam, Avilan would have been credited with the loss, not Santana.
re: Baseball pitching - How is a Win determined?Posted by The Seaward on 4/14/14 at 10:26 pm to gotiger
Prime example of why pitcher wins are basically a useless stat to evaluate individual pitchers.
re: Baseball pitching - How is a Win determined?Posted by MasterBetty on 4/14/14 at 10:27 pm to sicboy
That's why they have a stat for blown saves. A reliever can blow a save and still get the win.
re: Baseball pitching - How is a Win determined?Posted by Jcorye1 on 4/14/14 at 10:28 pm to MasterBetty
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That's why they have a stat for blown saves. A reliever can blow a save and still get the win.
I don't think it would be a blown save. I could be wrong, but I don't think you can pitch yourself into a save situation.
This post was edited on 4/14 at 10:29 pm
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Pitchers get fluke wins and losses all the time.
A pitcher that gives up one unearned run can get the loss while another pitcher can give up 10 earned runs and get a win if the opposing pitcher gives up 11 runs.
A pitcher that gives up one unearned run can get the loss while another pitcher can give up 10 earned runs and get a win if the opposing pitcher gives up 11 runs.
re: Baseball pitching - How is a Win determined?Posted by MasterBetty on 4/14/14 at 10:29 pm to Jcorye1
I wasn't speaking about this specific situation, rather, that a pitcher can come into a game, blow a save, then get a W if his team walks off in the bottom half.
re: Baseball pitching - How is a Win determined?Posted by MasterBetty on 4/14/14 at 10:32 pm to TH03
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true, but you cannot pitch yourself into a save situation.
Agreed, nobody implied such. I was just giving another example of how a bad performance can turn into a win.
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