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Tosh.0 production assistant accidentally killed by LA Deputy

Posted on 4/11/14 at 12:35 am
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 12:35 am
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Monday night, the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department accidentally shot and killed a production assistant for Tosh.0 after mistaking the 30-year-old for a stabbing suspect.

According to the Los Angeles Times, John Winkler went to a neighbor's apartment Monday night to try to help three people who were being held captive at knife point. Responding police shot Winkler when he ran from the apartment with one of the victims. From the Sheriff Department's statement:

As deputies continued attempts to contact the people in the apartment, the apartment door suddenly opened and a male victim came rushing out. He was covered in blood and bleeding profusely from the neck. Simultaneously, Victim Winkler ran out of the door, lunging at the back of the fleeing victim. Both ran directly at the deputies. Winkler was similar to the description of the suspect and was wearing a black shirt. Believing Winkler was the assailant and the assault was ongoing and he would attack the entry team; three deputies fired their duty weapons at him.

Winkler was shot once and died later that night at a local hospital.

One of Winkler's friends spoke to the Los Angeles Times after the shooting. "It's just a really sad story," Devin Richardson said, adding that Winkler had just moved to L.A. six months ago from Washington state to pursue a career as a producer. "He basically went to help some neighbors and ends up getting shot."

The suspect, 27-year-old, Alexander McDonald, was eventually arrested and charged with one count of murder, two counts of attempted murder, and one count of torture.
Posted by saintsfan22
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 12:39 am to
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Simultaneously, Victim Winkler ran out of the door, lunging at the back of the fleeing victim.

Wonder if there's any footage of this.
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 12:52 am to
That's a really weird story. Why run at the police?
Posted by saintsfan22
baton rouge
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 1:02 am to
Probably thought he was running to safety.
Posted by Mizzoufan26
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 3:03 am to
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Stonehog


Stupidest question ever man. They thought they were safe and had just saved their lives by escaping this guy. They saw the police which would equate to safety in this situation and were trying to get to them to stay safe, I don't imagine they would have any inclination the cops would hurt them in that scenario
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 5:55 am to
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I don't imagine they would have any inclination the cops would hurt them in that scenario


Everybody needs to wake up to the reality - the cops can be counted on to overreact and do the wrong thing - just as likely as not.

I guess it would have been too much trouble to assess the situation before just blazing away. But, in all honesty, they'd much rather err on the side of killing an innocent than risk having "one of their own" get hurt.
Posted by Yat27
Austin
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 6:04 am to
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But, in all honesty, they'd much rather err on the side of killing an innocent than risk having "one of their own" get hurt.


Exactly
Posted by Waffle House
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Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 6:17 am to
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three deputies fired their duty weapons at him.

Winkler was shot once


They were alllllllmost incompetent enough to save his life.
Posted by DeathValley85
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 6:32 am to
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They were alllllllmost incompetent enough to save his life.


So close
Posted by tiger94gop
GEISMAR
Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:29 am to
It was a knife attack, why the guns? Tazer? Why all 3 shot? This just stinks.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:44 am to
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It was a knife attack


Not by Winkler - he was an unarmed good guy.

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why the guns


They literally cannot wait to kill a human being (and a dog will do on many days) with that shiny pistol.

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Tazer?


They usually only do that when the guy/gal is on the ground - as a punishment.

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Why all 3 shot?


Cowards, I guess - bad shooting ones, too.
Posted by brass2mouth
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Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:52 am to
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But, in all honesty, they'd much rather err on the side of killing an innocent than risk having "one of their own" get hurt.


Spot fricking on.

So long as the "I go home at the end of my shift.." mentality stays intact and prevalent, this is what will happen with cops.
Posted by TotesMcGotes
New York, New York
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:59 am to
I bet they get tried for murder in California.
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 8:09 am to
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I bet they get tried for manslaughter in California.


as they should...
Posted by CocomoLSU
Inside your dome.
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 8:24 am to
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Ace Midnight

Fantastic cop bashing troll. Nicely done.

Can't this just be a shitty situation all around? I'm not saying this innocent dude should've died, but if you were called to a scene where an ACTIVE knifing assault was taking place, and someone matching the description of the suspect jumps out and runs directly at you, what would you do in those few seconds?

We don't know all of the details of what happened, but to immediately say "frick the cops because they just can't WAIT to kill people" is fricking stupid.


ETA: I thought this was gonna somehow be in conjunction with Tosh.0, like they were filming a skit or something like that. Sad situation all around.
This post was edited on 4/11/14 at 8:25 am
Posted by 12
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 8:27 am to
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Wonder if there's any footage of this


Tosh will run it on his show and do a breakdown.
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 8:29 am to
I wonder how many funny comments he will make in 20 seconds.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Member since Dec 2006
89451 posts
Posted on 4/11/14 at 8:31 am to
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I'm not saying this innocent dude should've died, but if you were called to a scene where an ACTIVE knifing assault was taking place, and someone matching the description of the suspect jumps out and runs directly at you, what would you do in those few seconds?


A. Determine if he's a threat (i.e. does he have a knife or a gun)

B. Take control of the situation regardless.

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"frick the cops because they just can't WAIT to kill people"


I'm just going by the evidence I have - I've seen way too many videos (and they know they're being recorded) - of cops shooting dogs they have no business shooting, tasing handcuffed suspects, beating handcuffed suspects, etc.

I remain a supporter of law enforcement, generally, but when you're given a badge and a gun, and entrusted with the public's safety, when you make a mistake in which an innocent dies, there better be a damned good reason for it.

There doesn't appear to be a good reason in this case.

I don't fully blame the line officers - they have been conditioned to view all of us as threats - the traffic stop videos they're shown, etc.

Again - the report was a knifing - if this innocent had been carrying a knife and run at the cops - maybe - had he gone to rescue the victim with a gun - maybe - however, without evidence of him being armed - that's manslaughter right there.

If there continues to be no consequences, innocent people will continue to be killed by law enforcement.
Posted by hg
Member since Jun 2009
123560 posts
Posted on 4/11/14 at 8:35 am to
What ever happened to cops tasering people?
Posted by biglego
Ask your mom where I been
Member since Nov 2007
76111 posts
Posted on 4/11/14 at 8:39 am to
I don't have any details besides what's right here but this doesn't seem like a case where the cops acted outrageously.
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