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re: Multiple stabbings (20) at Franklin High School PA (suspect in custody)
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:50 am to Pilot Tiger
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:50 am to Pilot Tiger
Excuse my ignorance, but I just dont see how one man with a knife can go on a rampage for just so long. Maybe Im wrong, but it seems like it would be fairly easy to knock him out with a chair
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Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:58 am to QJenk
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Excuse my ignorance, but I just dont see how one man with a knife can go on a rampage for just so long.
Obviously he's on the varsity knife-wielding/slashing team so I can see it.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 11:03 am to QJenk
quote:you are excused
Excuse my ignorance
quote:you are wrong
Maybe Im wrong, but it seems like it would be fairly easy to knock him out with a chair
I wish I had more time to go in depth
Posted on 4/9/14 at 11:04 am to QJenk
many different factors and not every situation is the same
knife attacks from a desperate person to me is one of the scariest situations to be in
knife attacks from a desperate person to me is one of the scariest situations to be in
Posted on 4/9/14 at 11:23 am to Pilot Tiger
I didnt watch the video, but why dont the cops just shoot the guy with the knife? Or use one of those taser guns? Are they not allowed to?
Posted on 4/9/14 at 11:42 am to QJenk
Imagine yourself as a 15-17 year old. Just walking through the hall when you start to hear a bunch of commotion and people scattering in all directions. You peer 25ft down the hall and see a guy maniacally swinging two knives. One swing sinks a 6" blade into Joe Smiths stomach while the next one catches Susie Jones in the shoulder. Most kids would be terrified and would be in a panic trying to flee. Only, there is so much congestion, it makes it easy for the maniac to target his next victim. This could all occur in a few minutes if not less. Who knows? Maybe one or more of the kids stabbed became victims while trying to stop the maniac but took a disabling knife thrust in the process.
I mean it's easy to play armchair hero but most people, and certainly kids, are going to instinctively try to put as much distance between the maniac and themselves as possible. But in a closed in space of panic induced humans it becomes more difficult.
I do think if that had been an area full of grown men, the attacker would have been stopped earlier. Grown ups have a greater sense of being protectors and probably are a bit more brave. But these were basically kids. Just try an honestly think what you would have done as a 16 year old in that short time frame. Would you be the guy, at that age, to step into harms way knowing you had a great chance of being seriously injured, if not killed? Maybe you are that guy and that would make you exceptional for your age.
I mean it's easy to play armchair hero but most people, and certainly kids, are going to instinctively try to put as much distance between the maniac and themselves as possible. But in a closed in space of panic induced humans it becomes more difficult.
I do think if that had been an area full of grown men, the attacker would have been stopped earlier. Grown ups have a greater sense of being protectors and probably are a bit more brave. But these were basically kids. Just try an honestly think what you would have done as a 16 year old in that short time frame. Would you be the guy, at that age, to step into harms way knowing you had a great chance of being seriously injured, if not killed? Maybe you are that guy and that would make you exceptional for your age.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 11:44 am to LST
Knife attacks are fairly common in China due to their strict guns laws
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On March 23, 2010, Zheng Minsheng (???)[7] 41, murdered eight children with a knife in an elementary school in Nanping
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Chen Kangbing, 33 (???)[12] at Hongfu Primary School wounded 16 students and a teacher
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Jiangsu, unemployed 47-year-old Xu Yuyuan went to Zhongxin Kindergarten[15] and stabbed 28 students and two teachers after stabbing the security guard
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Wu Huanming (???), 48, killed seven children and two adults and injured 11 other persons with a cleaver at a kindergarten in Hanzhong, Shaanxi
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26-year-old Fang Jiantang (???) slashed more than 20 children and staff with a 60 cm knife, killing 3 children and 1 teacher, at a kindergarten
Posted on 4/9/14 at 11:48 am to dafuqusay
I am not a gun control person. But I already see how this will be spun. People that are pro gun control will say "If the kid had a gun, it would have been much worse".
Posted on 4/9/14 at 11:52 am to hondurantiger
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I am not a gun control person. But I already see how this will be spun. People that are pro gun control will say "If the kid had a gun, it would have been much worse".
Would it? Guns are loud and others around are alerted that guns are being shot, not so much with a knife...
Posted on 4/9/14 at 11:53 am to hondurantiger
I agree that knifes are dangerous. However, once the crowd he was initially around was dispersed, then it was prolly handled pretty quick. In a crowded group a man with a knife is deadly. But one on one with space, a man with a chair/baseball bat/etc will whoop his arse
This post was edited on 4/9/14 at 11:53 am
Posted on 4/9/14 at 12:00 pm to wickowick
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Guns are loud and others around are alerted that guns are being shot, not so much with a knife
I am guessing the screaming would alert others.
I think a mentally unstable kid will be dangerous no matter what, but I do think a mentally unstable kid with a gun can inflict more damage.
I don't think that means you should take away people's constitutional right to bear arms.
Something that never gets talked about when things like this happen is what are we doing as a society that we are churning out these little shits that are so angry and pissed off?
Posted on 4/9/14 at 12:02 pm to hondurantiger
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I am guessing the screaming would alert others.
It might, but many people also flock to a fight...
Posted on 4/9/14 at 12:26 pm to hondurantiger
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Something that never gets talked about when things like this happen is what are we doing as a society that we are churning out these little shits that are so angry and pissed off?
Heres my take....mental health gets brought up a lot when there is some kind of tragedy. There is absolutely NOTHING that America can do that will stop these attacks. Doesnt matter if it involves gun control, treating mental health, you name it...if someone wants to hurt someone they WILL find a way.
Same thing with the "war on drugs." You will never get stop people who want to get high from getting high. IMPOSSIBLE.
Do I have an answer to solve these problems, nope, but I think society spends too much time thinking new laws will somehow stop the violence.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 12:36 pm to dafuqusay
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Heres my take....mental health gets brought up a lot when there is some kind of tragedy. There is absolutely NOTHING that America can do that will stop these attacks. Doesnt matter if it involves gun control, treating mental health, you name it...if someone wants to hurt someone they WILL find a way.
Same thing with the "war on drugs." You will never get stop people who want to get high from getting high. IMPOSSIBLE.
Do I have an answer to solve these problems, nope, but I think society spends too much time thinking new laws will somehow stop the violence.
This.
Sadly, the cost of a free society. No way to keep people from doing crazy things.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:17 pm to Pilot Tiger
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knife attacks from a desperate person to me is one of the scariest situations to be in
Not if I have a gun near me. Bam, dead MF'er right there.
So, no one there had a gun or even a long, pointy stick?
We've become a nation of pussies.
LC
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:25 pm to LongueCarabine
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A doctor who treated six of the victims, primarily teens, said at first they did not know they had been stabbed.
"They just felt pain and noticed they were bleeding," Dr. Timothy VanFleet, chief of emergency medicine at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, told CNN.
"Almost all of them said they didn't see anyone coming at them. It apparently was a crowded hallway and they were going about their business, and then just felt pain and started bleeding."
Arguing against bail for Hribal, the district attorney told the court that four of the victims were in critical condition, including one who was "eviscerated." There's a question whether the victim will survive, Peck said.
Hribal is being held without bail at the Westmoreland County juvenile detention center.
The accused attacker has been identified as 16-year-old Alex Hribal, according to a criminal complaint made public. Hribal, who was arraigned as an adult, faces four counts of attempted homicide, 21 counts of aggravated assault and one count of possession of a weapon on school grounds, the documents show.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:53 pm to CocomoLSU
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Google "cops versus knife"
Man that shite is crazy
Posted on 4/10/14 at 8:36 am to UltimateHog
Posted on 4/10/14 at 8:56 am to Isabelle
Yea, this didn't take long.
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"They (his parents) offer their condolences to everybody involved in this case. They're very upset. They did not foresee this coming at all," the attorney said. "This is a nice young man. He's never been in trouble."
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