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Is it possible to be against gay marriage/homosexuality without being a bigot?
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:14 pm
According to the left and gay lobby, there is no middle ground, if you are against gay marriage and believe homosexuality is a sin, you are an anti-gay hate filled bigot who deserves ridicule at the highest extent.
Myself, as a lifelong Christian who has taken plenty of intense discipleship classes and in depth Bible Courses throughout my life and has read the Bible multiple times through, I have come to my own conclusion that there is no biblical evidence that God would support a homosexual relationship or marriage. I believe that engaging in homosexual acts is sinful behavior and not pleasing to God.
So therefore I oppose gay marriage on these grounds, and believe homosexuality is a sin. I do think that the federal government should get out of marriage, and that the states should decide how to handle marriage.
However I don't think this makes me a hateful anti-gay bigot. I don't go around persecuting gays or harassing them, or saying that they will burn in hell for being gay. I don't go up to them and judge them, or attack them. I don't engage in violent or hateful rhetoric toward gays. I just hold a belief most Christians hold that homosexuality is against God's will. And I fail to see how holding that belief makes me a violent, hateful, bigot who seeks to oppress gays.
TLDR, according to the gay lobby if you oppose same sex marriage or believe homosexuality is a sin, you are no different than the Westboro funeral picketers.
Myself, as a lifelong Christian who has taken plenty of intense discipleship classes and in depth Bible Courses throughout my life and has read the Bible multiple times through, I have come to my own conclusion that there is no biblical evidence that God would support a homosexual relationship or marriage. I believe that engaging in homosexual acts is sinful behavior and not pleasing to God.
So therefore I oppose gay marriage on these grounds, and believe homosexuality is a sin. I do think that the federal government should get out of marriage, and that the states should decide how to handle marriage.
However I don't think this makes me a hateful anti-gay bigot. I don't go around persecuting gays or harassing them, or saying that they will burn in hell for being gay. I don't go up to them and judge them, or attack them. I don't engage in violent or hateful rhetoric toward gays. I just hold a belief most Christians hold that homosexuality is against God's will. And I fail to see how holding that belief makes me a violent, hateful, bigot who seeks to oppress gays.
TLDR, according to the gay lobby if you oppose same sex marriage or believe homosexuality is a sin, you are no different than the Westboro funeral picketers.
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Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:19 pm to goldennugget
Did you know that homophobes that were shown gay porn got a chubby about 3x the rate as non homophobes
basically, if you feel anxiety around gays, you secretly want the dick.
LINK
basically, if you feel anxiety around gays, you secretly want the dick.
LINK
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:21 pm to Hawkeye95
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Did you know that homophobes that were shown gay porn got a chubby about 3x the rate as non homophobes
basically, if you feel anxiety around gays, you secretly want the dick.
Strawman and gross generalization
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:22 pm to goldennugget
Words mean things. Our government at one time recognized married to be defined as between a man and a woman, so I never supported gay marriage. I did support civil unions that had the same rights as marriage. Yes, I know it's only words. But words mean things. I don't like definitions changing to suit a social agenda. The gays can get married now since the government has changed the definition.
As far as homosexuality goes, it's none of my business what consenting adults do. I'm not in favor of children being taught 'alternative life styles.' Let the kids figure it out on their own.
As far as homosexuality goes, it's none of my business what consenting adults do. I'm not in favor of children being taught 'alternative life styles.' Let the kids figure it out on their own.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:24 pm to goldennugget
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Is it possible to be against gay marriage/homosexuality without being a bigot?
Take the word "marriage" out of it all. Everyone gets to have the basic civil contract for coupling with all the rights that go along with what is traditionally seen as "marriage." Leave the term "marriage" to the churches.
As far as homosexuality is concerned I do not care what others do in their bedroom. It's very simple...don't tread on me and I won't tread on you. BTW, I am a Christian.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:25 pm to goldennugget
Most people can't understand that you can hate a sin, but not the sinner. They see any disagreement as bigotry and hate (this is a problem on all sides of the aisle). It is really sad.
I can oppose gay marriage, as it is trying to be legislated right now, on many more grounds than just religious beliefs.
I can have my own personal beliefs about homosexuality, and it will have no bearing on how I interact or relate to gay friends or family.
I can oppose gay marriage, as it is trying to be legislated right now, on many more grounds than just religious beliefs.
I can have my own personal beliefs about homosexuality, and it will have no bearing on how I interact or relate to gay friends or family.
This post was edited on 4/4/14 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:25 pm to Enadious
I don't support changing the meaning of a word that has been around longer then our Country just for political correctness.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:26 pm to goldennugget
Yes, if you are discussing it with anyone that has a brain
But if I was the CEO of a public company I would never comment on it…..the LGB mafia will have you stepping down in no time
But if I was the CEO of a public company I would never comment on it…..the LGB mafia will have you stepping down in no time
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:27 pm to Paluka
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As far as homosexuality is concerned I do not care what others do in their bedroom. It's very simple...don't tread on me and I won't tread on you. BTW, I am a Christian.
This is how I feel. I don't care if you are gay. I am not going to try to convert you away from it or anything. On the flipside I don't think you should try to impose it on kids and schools and bring it into education cirriculums. It shouldn't be promoted as normal behavior.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:29 pm to goldennugget
I don't think government-sanctioned marriage should be a right because it requires that government be put into action. Therefore, I don't think the federal government should be able to require states to award marriage certificates to anyone.
Now, if a state wants to allow gay marriage, I completely support that.
My biggest issue is the expansion of government power and the changing nature of the concept of a "right."
Now, if a state wants to allow gay marriage, I completely support that.
My biggest issue is the expansion of government power and the changing nature of the concept of a "right."
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:29 pm to Hawkeye95
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Hawkeye95
Did you read that study? I'm sure you know that viewing something that one sees as taboo tends to cause arousal. You are better than this.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:31 pm to Enadious
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Words mean things. Our government at one time recognized married to be defined as between a man and a woman, so I never supported gay marriage. I did support civil unions that had the same rights as marriage. Yes, I know it's only words. But words mean things. I don't like definitions changing to suit a social agenda. The gays can get married now since the government has changed the definition.
As far as homosexuality goes, it's none of my business what consenting adults do. I'm not in favor of children being taught 'alternative life styles.' Let the kids figure it out on their own.
You concisely shared my perspective.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:32 pm to goldennugget
Gays are marrying every day in this country.
Did it end your marriage?
Change your life?
Did your skygod send thunder and lightning down to smite those states that allow it.
Gay marriage became a big deal when people like you made it one. Most of us couldnt have given a rat's arse either way until people like you made it a talking point.
Now I'm all in
for gay marriage and do everything I can to make sure they have the same opportunity as homophobes like yourself to marry the person they love.
Did it end your marriage?
Change your life?
Did your skygod send thunder and lightning down to smite those states that allow it.
Gay marriage became a big deal when people like you made it one. Most of us couldnt have given a rat's arse either way until people like you made it a talking point.
Now I'm all in
for gay marriage and do everything I can to make sure they have the same opportunity as homophobes like yourself to marry the person they love. Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:33 pm to goldennugget
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Is it possible to be against gay marriage/homosexuality without being a bigot?
From the Religious bigots pov...nope. It's rewrite the Bible to 'equalize' their chosen behavior...or, you suck. Thought police, in effect.
The backlash when the whole thing implodes won't be pretty. Of course - as it should be - people will be judged and accepted or rejected on the basis of their INDIVIDUAL merit as a decent human...nws sexual eccentricities. The 'look' in their eye as it were.
"where there is no vision, my people die" (Biblical). Or at least go off the rails.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:34 pm to asurob1
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Gays are marrying every day in this country.
Did it end your marriage?
Change your life?
Did your skygod send thunder and lightning down to smite those states that allow it.
But should that be the standard for determining law and rights?
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:34 pm to asurob1
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asurob1
You really don't like responding to topics do you? I would be interested to see if you could go an entire day by only responding to the question proposed in the OP.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:35 pm to Antonio Moss
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Antonio Moss
Question...a lesbian couple chooses to have a baby via artificial insemination. If the biological mother is killed in an accident or something her partner may have no parental rights whatsoever. The Bio-mom's family technically would have all the legal rights.
Do you see this as a state issue as well? If so, to what degree can state-to-state recipricosity occur?
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:35 pm to goldennugget
Merriam-Webster says that a bigot is "a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. ... a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)."
I think the definition hinges on "unfairly" disliking or "refusing to accept" people.
Now, I'm going to look at what you've said.
That's the refusal to accept someone, in that you believe there is something inherently wrong with them or something that should be fixed. In addition, you're doing so along religious lines, a standard which I feel is "unfair" in that it's not a universal or easily agreed upon standard - in a sense, it's arbitrary.
So, while you aren't a "violent, hateful,[sic] bigot who seeks* to oppress gays," I don't agree with your assertion that your views on homosexuality aren't a form of bigotry.
But, hey, I don't think you're a bad person; I don't even know you. I'm just offering my perspective on what you've said.
*"Seeks" really is the saving grace here, because while you believe that you don't actively seek to oppress people, your beliefs are oppressive.
I think the definition hinges on "unfairly" disliking or "refusing to accept" people.
Now, I'm going to look at what you've said.
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I believe that engaging in homosexual acts is sinful behavior and not pleasing to God.
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I just hold a belief most Christians hold that homosexuality is against God's will.
That's the refusal to accept someone, in that you believe there is something inherently wrong with them or something that should be fixed. In addition, you're doing so along religious lines, a standard which I feel is "unfair" in that it's not a universal or easily agreed upon standard - in a sense, it's arbitrary.
So, while you aren't a "violent, hateful,[sic] bigot who seeks* to oppress gays," I don't agree with your assertion that your views on homosexuality aren't a form of bigotry.
But, hey, I don't think you're a bad person; I don't even know you. I'm just offering my perspective on what you've said.
*"Seeks" really is the saving grace here, because while you believe that you don't actively seek to oppress people, your beliefs are oppressive.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:37 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Most people can't understand that you can hate a sin, but not the sinner.
Along the same vein, most people can't understand that you can hate a religion, but not the religious.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:37 pm to goldennugget
Gay marriage? Yes
Homosexuality? No.
Homosexuality? No.
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