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The devaluing of RB's **UPDATED** Ben Tate would've been a Safety
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:41 pm
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It's interesting how the RB position has been devalued so drastically over the last few years. I believe it all started with Terrell Davis and Mike Shanahan. Shanahan found a gem in TD, and he exploded to be the best RB of the 90's not named Emmit Smith (though I believe he was better than ES, just had a short playing career due to brutal knee injury). After this, Shans churned out runner after runner, all found in the later rounds. He then started implementing the RB by committee that frustrates all fantasy owners.
He was so successful using RBBC, that over time other teams started to copy it. Our very own SP is allergic to using a RB for more than 1 play in a row, and this trend has been throughout the league for the last decade. I believe the success of late round RB's is due to a couple of reasons.
1. NFL rules has made the passing game so much easier now by limiting what defenses can do, so we are now a pass first league
2. Defenses in response are being designed to stop the pass first
3. Denver's zone blocking scheme (and this is a big one IMO) is extremely successful for RBs, and it has been implemented through many offenses
4. Offenses are playing the matchup game with RB's more than in years' past (mainly due to the passing dominance), so multiple styles of RB's are employed and used. This creates a need for specialists rather than a great all purpose RB
There may be other reasons that I am not addressing, but the fact is that players who are RBs will not be getting huge pay days in the future not be drafted very high. This will be a huge problem soon, because I believe we will start seeing players choose not to be RB's in college due to the desire to play a more lucrative and valuable position. In time, great and even good RB's will be rare.
What does this mean? I think it may lead to a pendulum swing. Once that time comes, teams will be hard pressed to find RB's anywhere in the draft, so any good ones that are available will have their value increased. Seattle set the bar high this past year by fielding a great defense and relying on a great all purpose RB. Hopefully this trend returns (which it seems to be in the neo stages... there are more 1 back teams out there now than in years past), because I think a balanced offense makes for more interesting games. Unfortunately I am not sold on this too much, because I think the NFL is starting to work towards being more like the Arena League: they want high scoring passing offenses.
What be your thoughts on this? Oh, and before anyone says "wrong board," notice I am talking about Paeyton and his RBBC game planning
It's interesting how the RB position has been devalued so drastically over the last few years. I believe it all started with Terrell Davis and Mike Shanahan. Shanahan found a gem in TD, and he exploded to be the best RB of the 90's not named Emmit Smith (though I believe he was better than ES, just had a short playing career due to brutal knee injury). After this, Shans churned out runner after runner, all found in the later rounds. He then started implementing the RB by committee that frustrates all fantasy owners.
He was so successful using RBBC, that over time other teams started to copy it. Our very own SP is allergic to using a RB for more than 1 play in a row, and this trend has been throughout the league for the last decade. I believe the success of late round RB's is due to a couple of reasons.
1. NFL rules has made the passing game so much easier now by limiting what defenses can do, so we are now a pass first league
2. Defenses in response are being designed to stop the pass first
3. Denver's zone blocking scheme (and this is a big one IMO) is extremely successful for RBs, and it has been implemented through many offenses
4. Offenses are playing the matchup game with RB's more than in years' past (mainly due to the passing dominance), so multiple styles of RB's are employed and used. This creates a need for specialists rather than a great all purpose RB
There may be other reasons that I am not addressing, but the fact is that players who are RBs will not be getting huge pay days in the future not be drafted very high. This will be a huge problem soon, because I believe we will start seeing players choose not to be RB's in college due to the desire to play a more lucrative and valuable position. In time, great and even good RB's will be rare.
What does this mean? I think it may lead to a pendulum swing. Once that time comes, teams will be hard pressed to find RB's anywhere in the draft, so any good ones that are available will have their value increased. Seattle set the bar high this past year by fielding a great defense and relying on a great all purpose RB. Hopefully this trend returns (which it seems to be in the neo stages... there are more 1 back teams out there now than in years past), because I think a balanced offense makes for more interesting games. Unfortunately I am not sold on this too much, because I think the NFL is starting to work towards being more like the Arena League: they want high scoring passing offenses.
What be your thoughts on this? Oh, and before anyone says "wrong board," notice I am talking about Paeyton and his RBBC game planning
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 9:10 am
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:51 pm to Midget Death Squad
J HIll in 3rd. Championship.
Did I do it right?
Did I do it right?
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:52 pm to Midget Death Squad
TL;DR
Real Big Black Cock?
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Sean Payton and his RBBC
Real Big Black Cock?
This post was edited on 4/3/14 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:55 pm to oncealurker
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TL;DR
I know. The reading skills of the new generation is limited. Next time I'll post a video
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:08 pm to Midget Death Squad
Just messing with you bro 
Its a nice post. Payton loves to throw the ball and will probably remain that way. I believe when we do run its only to help Drew. Not necessarily to just have a stromg run game
Its a nice post. Payton loves to throw the ball and will probably remain that way. I believe when we do run its only to help Drew. Not necessarily to just have a stromg run game
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:20 pm to oncealurker
I keep thinking Payton will lean more towards the run the older Drew gets in an effort to keep him productive as long as possible, but who knows.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:32 pm to Midget Death Squad
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the best RB of the 90's not named Emmit Smith
It's kind of a nitpicky thing, but I strongly disagree.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:32 pm to Midget Death Squad
I agree with most of what you posted.
This is what really interests me, though.
I've thought about this, myself. Kids coming into high school and college will definitely think twice about being a RB if the trend continues. I'm not sure many will actually decide not to be a RB because of it though mainly because there is still a star factor around being a RB.
This is what really interests me, though.
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There may be other reasons that I am not addressing, but the fact is that players who are RBs will not be getting huge pay days in the future not be drafted very high. This will be a huge problem soon, because I believe we will start seeing players choose not to be RB's in college due to the desire to play a more lucrative and valuable position. In time, great and even good RB's will be rare. What does this mean? I think it may lead to a pendulum swing. Once that time comes, teams will be hard pressed to find RB's anywhere in the draft, so any good ones that are available will have their value increased.
I've thought about this, myself. Kids coming into high school and college will definitely think twice about being a RB if the trend continues. I'm not sure many will actually decide not to be a RB because of it though mainly because there is still a star factor around being a RB.
This post was edited on 4/3/14 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:41 pm to Midget Death Squad
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players choose not to be RB's in college
Maybe, but I think a lot of the time it's a players natural physical attributes and natural abilities that determines what position a player winds up at.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:44 pm to Midget Death Squad
Rb is my favorite position in football and I hate to see their value disappear like this.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:49 pm to Midget Death Squad
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he exploded to be the best RB of the 90's not named Emmit Smith (
neither was better than Barry Sanders
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:59 pm to TigerintheNO
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neither was better than Barry Sanders
yup.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:05 pm to GOON
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Kids coming into high school and college will definitely think twice about being a RB if the trend continues. I'm not sure many will actually decide not to be a RB because of it though mainly because there is still a star factor around being a RB.
I do agree that the star value of the position may still attract players, but I think that value is declining as WR and TE rise. There will always be players at the position, but I wouldn't be surprised to see ones that would be great at it choose to instead try to be a slot WR, Safety or even TE for the bigger guys.
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neither was better than Barry Sanders
I love Barry the person, and he was a joy to watch; however, he was a bit overrated in my opinion. He was great and could break that big run at any time, but he was detrimental to a consistent ground game. He gave up too many negative plays while trying to always break the big one. It's all a matter of taste and perspective, but mine says the TD's and Emmits were better overall RBs
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:10 pm to Peazey
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it's a players natural physical attributes and natural abilities that determines what position a player winds up at.
true, but the player also somewhat has a choice in the matter. I think as the position's value continues to decrease, you will see more kids petitioning their coaches for other more glamorous positions, and many will get that granted to them. the coach usually has the ultimate say though.
Another factor to take into consideration is the extremely short lifespan of a RB. This coupled with the low pay scale will cause many to think twice before trying out and pursuing the role.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:26 pm to Midget Death Squad
itll cycle back - as teams invest in nickel and dime corners instead of OLBs, a power running game will become cheap and effecive.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 7:45 pm to NoSaint
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itll cycle back - as teams invest in nickel and dime corners instead of OLBs, a power running game will become cheap and effecive.
This, 100% agree. That's what killed me about the Seahawks playoff game; if we came in there and ran the ball like we did against Philly, minimized errors, we could have won that game.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 7:51 pm to Midget Death Squad
I think the biggest reason isn't even from the NFL level. The college game is also so open now and most teams are using a back by committee approach.
If you don't have Adrian Petersons coming out of college you won't have any in the NFL.
If you don't have Adrian Petersons coming out of college you won't have any in the NFL.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 10:58 am to bonethug0108
Yes I tend to think that it will cycle back, but I don't see it happening for a while. I hope it does though, and maybe Seattle's success will carry over and have teams start focusing on a strong run game again.
this is so true. RBBC is taking over college level as well. On the one hand it is good for the player to have a longer shelf life due to less wear and tear; however, they aren't getting the play time that they desire nor the payday. I personally don't like RBBC, because it never allows the RB to get into the groove of the game thus rendering him less effective. I believe Ingram would be a beast if he would be given the 20+ carries a game that a RB of his type needs. He needs the reps to get a feel for the blocking, the holes and the defense as well as to wear them down throughout the course of the game.
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I think the biggest reason isn't even from the NFL level. The college game is also so open now and most teams are using a back by committee approach.
If you don't have Adrian Petersons coming out of college you won't have any in the NFL.
this is so true. RBBC is taking over college level as well. On the one hand it is good for the player to have a longer shelf life due to less wear and tear; however, they aren't getting the play time that they desire nor the payday. I personally don't like RBBC, because it never allows the RB to get into the groove of the game thus rendering him less effective. I believe Ingram would be a beast if he would be given the 20+ carries a game that a RB of his type needs. He needs the reps to get a feel for the blocking, the holes and the defense as well as to wear them down throughout the course of the game.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 9:09 am to Midget Death Squad
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Reading this made me revisit this topic from a few weeks back. Now Ben Tate is saying he would've been a safety in college if he knew the RB position would've been this devalued. This is interesting, because I was stating how I think this will become the new trend. In the near future, talented RB's will be rare. Will this create a new need for the position thus increasing their value again, or will the focus on a passing game make the RB no different than a FB? It will be interesting to monitor and see.
Reading this made me revisit this topic from a few weeks back. Now Ben Tate is saying he would've been a safety in college if he knew the RB position would've been this devalued. This is interesting, because I was stating how I think this will become the new trend. In the near future, talented RB's will be rare. Will this create a new need for the position thus increasing their value again, or will the focus on a passing game make the RB no different than a FB? It will be interesting to monitor and see.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 9:11 am to tigerbait1.6
quote:Absolutely would not hate. But here's the thing...I know what the Saints get with Hill. I don't know what the Saints get if they do draft another RB.
J HIll in 3rd. Championship.
Did I do it right?
LSU-ness aside, Hill's style would be perfect for the Saints need at RB if they do decide to trade Mark Ingram or add to their backfield.
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