Interesting thought problem on abortion, men's rights, and fairness

Regarding renouncing parental rights - there's nothing that prevents this. However, the father cannot renounce parental RESPONSIBILITY.

He can choose never to see the kid or be involved in any aspect of his/her life, ever. But, he will have to support that child, because the alternative is that WE (society) will have to support the child.

That said, the door should swing both ways and the father should have an equal voice in the decision of whether to terminate a pregnancy.

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Yup men are being bullied when it comes to parental choice equality.

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I've been waiting a few years to see when this issue will bubble to the surface.

There is a blantant gender bias in some areas of the legal system.
Abortion, Divorce, Teacher Sex Cases, ETC.

The bama tea-bagger case was quite interesting regarding gender perception. It was nice to see a judge point out the gender bias directly.

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That said, the door should swing both ways and the father should have an equal voice in the decision of whether to terminate a pregnancy.

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I agree. Both parents should have an equal voice throughout the child's entire life.
But, most can't even agree on whether abortion should be allowed, much less if men should have a say.

Men's rights are an obvious and important societal issue, but culturally, it is very far from mainstream or societal norms. I just don't see the average Joe getting worked up about it until it's him that's affected.
So, the likelihood of quick or easy changes is low.


However, at least it's an issue that has creeped into the collective consciousness.

Alot has been changing for men's rights in the divorce/ child-custody world in the last 10-15 years.
It's still not gender-neutral, but it's far from the draconian version it used to be.

On the other hand, there are some cases about Sperm donors being required to provide "Parental Responsibility" after the LGBT parents divorced.

If the woman has the only vote when it comes to aborting a child, then she has the responsibility to raise and support it. If the man doesn't get a vote, then he's off the hook. Kinda like taxation without representation.


We'll have equality/fairness when a woman's right to choose doesn't obligate a man to pay for that choice.

You want fair?

Don't go in bareback.

It really is that simple.

Once you deliver the sperm, what the woman decides to do with it is her choice.

Prepare your checkbook.

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You want fair?

Don't go in bareback.

It really is that simple.

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so the woman holds no responsibility there was no contraception?

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so the woman holds no responsibility there was no contraception?

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Well, if she is catholic, blame the pope ;-). Either way she is fully responsible for the gift you placed in her. What she does once she has it is completely up to her.

Prepare your checkbook or learn not to drop your dna in random women.

Again, it's really not that complicated.

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That said, the door should swing both ways and the father should have an equal voice in the decision of whether to terminate a pregnancy.

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Well um. I mean, I'm pro-life and all but even when I was pro-choice, I'm not sure exactly how this would work.

I mean, let's say she wants to keep it and he wants to abort, I'm guessing she wins that argument hence, "equal" really aint in the equation.

I'm a heritic though. I think child support payments should come only with father involvement. If dad wants to opt out, then he should have that right(just like she does). Only difference is the method of opting out.

I'll bet ya that might have a little effect on how close some women keep their knees.

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It's still her body. You want choices....make the choice not to drop your DNA in her.

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She seems to have some responsibility in advance of accepting the sperm too one would think.