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Does David Ortiz make the HOF?
Posted by ClientNumber9 on 3/31/14 at 3:50 pm00
To me, he's a borderline entry and I could go either way.
Pros:
1) Postseason performance.
2004- postseason batting average of .455.
2007- postseason batting average of .370.
2013- postseason batting average of .353, while batting .688 in the World Series vs. St. Louis. From the ALCS comeback against the Yankees in 2004 to the game-tying Grand Slam against Detroit last year, if there was ever a bigger "big moment" hitter than David Ortiz, he's already in the HOF. His career postseason on-base percentage is a ridiculous .409.
2) Longevity. For the voters that like to see consistency over a long period, Ortiz has almost 20 years of MLB credit and will likely play for another 2-3 years. He's delivered solid numbers over that span, with a 162 game average of 35 HRs, 118 RBIs, 99 runs and nearly 90 walks a season.
3) Intangibles. Many voters reward intangibles such as leadership, stepping up in big moments, etc. Ortiz has this in spades. His efforts to help end "The Curse" and bring not one but three rings to Boston in the past 10 seasons speaks for itself.
Cons:
1) Good, but not great, career numbers. Ortiz does not yet have 500 HR (a benchmark number for many voters) and has "only" 1429 RBIs. This puts him at 65th all time. Many people ahead of him on this list are not in the HOF currently.
2) Not a position player. Rightly or wrongly, voters are tougher on the DH position and do not reward those who do not take the field on defense. Edgar Martinez is finding this out now.
3) Accumulated many of his numbers in the "steroid era". Again, right or wrong, players that played from the mid-1990s to approximately 2008 are going to be judged against this lens. Production behind the plate will be viewed more critically, regardless of individual test results.
Your thoughts?
Pros:
1) Postseason performance.
2004- postseason batting average of .455.
2007- postseason batting average of .370.
2013- postseason batting average of .353, while batting .688 in the World Series vs. St. Louis. From the ALCS comeback against the Yankees in 2004 to the game-tying Grand Slam against Detroit last year, if there was ever a bigger "big moment" hitter than David Ortiz, he's already in the HOF. His career postseason on-base percentage is a ridiculous .409.
2) Longevity. For the voters that like to see consistency over a long period, Ortiz has almost 20 years of MLB credit and will likely play for another 2-3 years. He's delivered solid numbers over that span, with a 162 game average of 35 HRs, 118 RBIs, 99 runs and nearly 90 walks a season.
3) Intangibles. Many voters reward intangibles such as leadership, stepping up in big moments, etc. Ortiz has this in spades. His efforts to help end "The Curse" and bring not one but three rings to Boston in the past 10 seasons speaks for itself.
Cons:
1) Good, but not great, career numbers. Ortiz does not yet have 500 HR (a benchmark number for many voters) and has "only" 1429 RBIs. This puts him at 65th all time. Many people ahead of him on this list are not in the HOF currently.
2) Not a position player. Rightly or wrongly, voters are tougher on the DH position and do not reward those who do not take the field on defense. Edgar Martinez is finding this out now.
3) Accumulated many of his numbers in the "steroid era". Again, right or wrong, players that played from the mid-1990s to approximately 2008 are going to be judged against this lens. Production behind the plate will be viewed more critically, regardless of individual test results.
Your thoughts?
This post was edited on 3/31 at 3:52 pm
re: Does David Ortiz make the HOF?Posted by BayouBengals03 on 3/31/14 at 3:51 pm to ClientNumber9
I think so.
re: Does David Ortiz make the HOF?Posted by WinnPtiger on 3/31/14 at 3:51 pm to BayouBengals03
I think he gets in eventually. too many "HOF" type moments to keep him out
re: Does David Ortiz make the HOF?Posted by Lester Earl on 3/31/14 at 3:52 pm to ClientNumber9
yes. Best DH of all time
re: Does David Ortiz make the HOF?Posted by Paul Allen on 3/31/14 at 3:53 pm to Lester Earl
Better than Eddie Murray as a DH?
re: Does David Ortiz make the HOF?Posted by LSUTigers1986 on 3/31/14 at 3:54 pm to ClientNumber9
No. He juiced
re: Does David Ortiz make the HOF?Posted by Lester Earl on 3/31/14 at 3:55 pm to Paul Allen
murray didnt really DH in his prime
re: Does David Ortiz make the HOF?Posted by lsu2006 on 3/31/14 at 3:55 pm to LSUTigers1986
quote:
No. He juiced
If there's anyone who can overcome this stigma, it's Ortiz.
re: Does David Ortiz make the HOF?Posted by Paul Allen on 3/31/14 at 3:56 pm to Lester Earl
That's true
re: Does David Ortiz make the HOF?Posted by Wayne Campbell on 3/31/14 at 3:58 pm to ClientNumber9
I can make the argument that he should, but I doubt he does without a significant shift in thinking of many voters.
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re: Does David Ortiz make the HOF?Posted by Florida225 on 3/31/14 at 3:58 pm to ClientNumber9
I'm completely unbiased. Yes, yes he should.
re: Does David Ortiz make the HOF?Posted by WinnPtiger on 3/31/14 at 3:59 pm to Wayne Campbell
quote:
I can make the argument that he should, but I doubt he does without a significant shift in thinking of many voters.
hopefully the entire voting process changes
re: Does David Ortiz make the HOF?Posted by theunknownknight on 3/31/14 at 4:00 pm to WinnPtiger
Edgar Martinez should get in then.
re: Does David Ortiz make the HOF?Posted by ClientNumber9 on 3/31/14 at 4:06 pm to theunknownknight
quote:
Edgar Martinez should get in then.
Maybe so, Edgar Martinez never won, or even played, in a World Series. I would think the three rings that Ortiz was so instrumental in winning would give Ortiz the edge over Martinez.
re: Does David Ortiz make the HOF?Posted by stevo1905 on 3/31/14 at 4:07 pm to LSUTigers1986
quote:If Barry Bonds can't get in and he never failed a test (though he clearly used), then David Ortiz should definitely not get in. That is, if we want any semblance of uniformity around HOF voting in the steroid era.
No. He juiced
re: Does David Ortiz make the HOF?Posted by TigerintheNO on 3/31/14 at 4:11 pm to ClientNumber9
Right now I would say no
re: Does David Ortiz make the HOF?Posted by SDVTiger on 3/31/14 at 4:16 pm to TigerintheNO
Hes a big fat steriod user who should have been banned for at least a year per his own words
re: Does David Ortiz make the HOF?Posted by tigerpimpbot on 3/31/14 at 4:37 pm to ClientNumber9
Definitely in.
re: Does David Ortiz make the HOF?Posted by stevo1905 on 3/31/14 at 4:43 pm to tigerpimpbot
For those saying he should be in, why him and none of the other greats that have been suspected of PED use?
re: Does David Ortiz make the HOF?Posted by Goldrush25 on 3/31/14 at 4:43 pm to stevo1905
quote:
For those saying he should be in, why him and none of the other greats that have been suspected of PED use?
Because he's likeable.
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