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Members of the 97% "concensus" say they are being misrepresented re: AGW

Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:14 pm
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
14835 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:14 pm
Libs, please explain why members of the 97% are having to speak out and explain that their papers were mischaracterized by John Cook and the IPCC.

"That is not an accurate representation of my paper. The papers examined how the rise in atmospheric CO2 could be inducing a phase advance in the spring portion of the atmosphere’s seasonal CO2 cycle. Other literature had previously claimed a measured advance was due to rising temperatures, but we showed that it was quite likely the rise in atmospheric CO2 itself was responsible for the lion’s share of the change. It would be incorrect to claim that our paper was an endorsement of CO2-induced global warming.”
-Craig Idso

"Cook et al. (2013) is based on a straw man argument because it does not correctly define the IPCC AGW theory, which is NOT that human emissions have contributed 50%+ of the global warming since 1900 but that almost 90-100% of the observed global warming was induced by human emission. What my papers say is that the IPCC [United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] view is erroneous because about 40-70% of the global warming observed from 1900 to 2000 was induced by the sun.

What it is observed right now is utter dishonesty by the IPCC advocates. … They are gradually engaging into a metamorphosis process to save face. … And in this way they will get the credit that they do not merit, and continue in defaming critics like me that actually demonstrated such a fact since 2005/2006”
-Nicola Scaffeta

"it is not an accurate representation. The paper shows that if cosmic rays are included in empirical climate sensitivity analyses, then one finds that different time scales consistently give a low climate sensitivity. i.e., it supports the idea that cosmic rays affect the climate and that climate sensitivity is low. This means that part of the 20th century [warming] should be attributed to the increased solar activity and that 21st century warming under a business as usual scenario should be low (about 1°C).”
-Nir Shaviv

Other papers were classified as having "no opinion" and not counted as for or against.

Some quotes from these scientists:

"that is Certainly not correct and certainly misleading. The paper is strongly against AGW [anthropogenic global warming], and documents its absence in the sea level observational facts. Also, it invalidates the mode of sea level handling by the IPCC.”
Nils-Axel Morner

“I am sure that this rating of no position on AGW by CO2 is nowhere accurate nor correct. I hope my scientific views and conclusions are clear to anyone that will spend time reading our papers. Cook et al. (2013) is not the study to read if you want to find out about what we say and conclude in our own scientific works
-Willie Soon

Willie with the boom. Someone tell Willie that the debate is over.
This post was edited on 4/1/14 at 12:17 am
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34862 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:15 pm to
That the earth is warmer than it was a century ago.

And that atmospheric co2 has increased in that time

Posted by DeltaDoc
The Delta
Member since Jan 2008
16089 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:18 pm to
I'm ready to get behind sun-made global warming
Posted by Cole Beer
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
4583 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:18 pm to
I recommend reading and watching "VICE". Greenland's icebergs are melting at a rapid rate. But I'm sure it's nothing to worry about.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34862 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:19 pm to
quote:

Greenland's icebergs are melting at a rapid rate. But I'm sure it's nothing to worry about.


Okay? What level are they suppose to be at?
Posted by Jay Quest
Once removed from Massachusetts
Member since Nov 2009
9800 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:23 pm to
quote:

what specifically do 97% of scientists agree on?

The sun is hot
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123776 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:25 pm to
quote:

Greenland's icebergs are melting at a rapid rate
. . . and reforming in Antarctica?
Posted by Mac
Forked Island, USA
Member since Nov 2007
14656 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:29 pm to
Hope there aren't any DENIERS here -- wouldn't want anyone getting arrested
Posted by TygerTyger
Houston
Member since Oct 2010
9173 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:39 pm to
quote:

quote: Greenland's icebergs are melting at a rapid rate. But I'm sure it's nothing to worry about. Okay? What level are they suppose to be at?


Whatever level will best play in to the Global Warming Alcolyte's narrative.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:41 pm to
Are you ready to be so arrogant to think government can do something about it?

Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45793 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:41 pm to
I declare code purple, code purple...
Posted by m2pro
Member since Nov 2008
28594 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:47 pm to
We haven't figured out how to accurately predict the weather for tomorrow.

I'm not holding my breath for us to predict what the Earth's weather will be doing in 100 years... neither am I quick to buy in on anyone that claims they know WHY or HOW any of that shite happens.

Planetary thermodynamics, weather patterns, volcanic predictions and activity, effects fossil fuel and cow farts...... we aren't smart enough and don't have the computing power yet to truly know what's going on.

It's easy to look at the temperature's records and have a gut feeling though. I'll give you that.

*edit*

Not to say that it's not worth while to try to do less harm to the planet.
This post was edited on 3/31/14 at 1:50 pm
Posted by Paluka
One State Over
Member since Dec 2010
10763 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:52 pm to
quote:

I declare code purple, code purple...


Well, since the ice is supposedly melting then you cannot declare a code blue balls or code blue.

Eskimos will no longer sit in the snow and get polaroids.
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
14835 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:53 pm to
That's cool, but I want to take this step by step, so I don't get confused. So, about what, specifically, do 97% of scientists agee?
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45793 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:55 pm to
Posted by Toddy
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2010
27250 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:57 pm to
97% agree that man is causing climate change

quote:

The scientific community disagrees about plenty of things. But according to a sweeping new survey of 12,000 peer-reviewed climate studies, global warming isn't one of them.

Published this week in the journal Environmental Research Letters, the analysis shows an overwhelming majority of climate scientists agree that humans are a key contributor to climate change, while a "vanishingly small proportion" defy this consensus. Most of the climate papers didn't specifically address humanity's involvement — likely because it's considered a given in scientific circles, the survey's authors point out — but of the 4,014 that did, 3,896 shared the mainstream outlook that people are largely to blame.



LINK
This post was edited on 3/31/14 at 1:59 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259875 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:59 pm to
quote:

. Greenland's icebergs are melting at a rapid rate. But I'm sure it's nothing to worry about.


As they have been. So have Alaska's but it's been this way for thousands of years with a couple of slight oscillations.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 2:03 pm to
quote:

97% agree that man is causing climate change


gotta keep that funding rolling in
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 2:04 pm to
quote:

As they have been. So have Alaska's but it's been this way for thousands of years with a couple of slight oscillations.

So you believe the climate's generally warming?
Posted by TejasHorn
High Plains Driftin'
Member since Mar 2007
10879 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 2:06 pm to
quote:

gotta keep that funding rolling in


Do you know how filthy rich even a small group of these scientists would be if they produced a valid scientific study disproving AGW?

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