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re: Northwestern Football Players Can Unionize
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:43 pm to MMauler
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:43 pm to MMauler
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If it meant that LSU (or Alabama) would be at a competitive disadvantage, the legislature would vote to do whatever is necessary to put LSU on an even playing field -- or even at a competitive advantage.
Agreed. And now we have public university unionization.
Now we know why the steelworkers union paid for this court case. Don't mess with conservative states football - unions got their foot in the door now.
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 3:45 pm
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:47 pm to TigerintheNO
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How does this impact federal dollars for Title IX if they are ruled employees?
Not at all, Title IX is a federal law. NLRB can't over turn federal law.
This is Title IX --
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No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving federal financial assistance.
That's it.
It doesn't say anything about women sports/"athletes" having to get the same exact amount of money as men's sports/athletes.
In fact, the perverted way that Title IX has been interpreted results in a system where women have TWICE the opportunity as men. If a woman is good enough to make a men's team -- she's more than welcome to try. The same is not true for men wanting to play, say, volleyball at LSU -- where there is no men's team.
Despite the misinformation out there, I don't think Title IX was ever meant to apply to college sports. But, people think that the law is strictly there to make it illegal to SPEND (notice I didn't say "give") one dollar more on men's sports even if that sport actually EARNS the money.
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:50 pm to Bunsbert Montcroff
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a four-year degree from northwestern costs a quarter million dollars? insane.
It's a great school. Been there many times. Lots of Jews. Buildings designed by Frank Lloyd Wright. Cold as hell in the Fall and Winter. Tried the waters in Lake Michigan in summer but it was too cold.
Thanksgiving Dinner in Skokie was a must at the Chandelier Restaurant. I wonder if it still exists.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:00 pm to tiger1014
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But kids that go to state school make pennies compared to what they bring in.
You are making a huge leap when saying that the players bring in the revenue rather than the institutions themselves who have hundreds of millions of dollars of infrastructure, marketing, and in some cases hundreds of years of history building the marketplace.
Roughly 1/4th of all players are replaced yearly with no effect on profitability.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:04 pm to moneyg
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Roughly 1/4th of all players are replaced yearly with no effect on profitability.
But, what happens when these players are replaced with bad players -- who just so happen to be great students.
The millions will dry up quickly.
No one cares how many football players graduate with degrees in Chemical Engineering with 4.0 GPAs.
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:30 pm to MMauler
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Title IX has been interpreted results in a system where women have TWICE the opportunity as men. If a woman is good enough to make a men's team -- she's more than welcome to try. The same is not true for men wanting to play, say, volleyball at LSU -- where there is no men's team.
That's not accurate.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:32 pm to MMauler
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But, what happens when these players are replaced with bad players -- who just so happen to be great students.
The millions will dry up quickly.
No one cares how many football players graduate with degrees in Chemical Engineering with 4.0 GPAs.
What's your point?
Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:42 pm to TigerintheNO
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Title IX has been interpreted results in a system where women have TWICE the opportunity as men. If a woman is good enough to make a men's team -- she's more than welcome to try. The same is not true for men wanting to play, say, volleyball at LSU -- where there is no men's team.
That's not accurate.
How so?
Didn't Mo Isom get a tryout with the football team?
If a girl could hit .275, you don't think she would be allowed to play baseball?
If a girl could run a 4.3 40 and could play cornerback for the football team, you think they wouldn't let her on the team just because she's a woman?
Now, if a guy wants to go out for volleyball at LSU, what do you think they're going to tell him?
Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:47 pm to moneyg
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What's your point?
You can have all the "millions of dollars of infrastructure, marketing, and in some cases hundreds of years of history building the marketplace" you want. It's the elite athletes that bring in the money.
Throughout this string people have talked about the "student athlete" -- for the moneymaking sports, that's a complete JOKE.
As long as the school (with all of its million dollar facilities) can keep the elite players eligible, that's all people care about -- and that's what keeps the MONEY flowing in.
But, it's these universities who have written the rules. As a result, they (and the coaches) make all money -- and keep it.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:51 pm to MMauler
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Didn't Mo Isom get a tryout with the football team?
Football isn't men's/woman's sports, it is an open sport.
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If a girl could hit .275, you don't think she would be allowed to play baseball?
Nope, and a man can't play NCAA softball.
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Now, if a guy wants to go out for volleyball at LSU, what do you think they're going to tell him?
The same thing they would tell a woman, who wanted to try out for the men's gymnastics team, no.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:56 pm to TigerintheNO
quote:Well. This is "sort of" true. It's HS softball, but, if you're willing to be "transgendered", then looks like you have a shot!! LOL
Nope, and a man can't play NCAA softball.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:59 pm to TigerintheNO
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Nope, and a man can't play NCAA softball.
I'm going to need a cite for this.
Could you imagine the national feminazi uproar if a girl could throw a 95 mph fastball (with movement) and a school told her that she couldn't play baseball just because "she's a girl"?
Posted on 3/26/14 at 5:01 pm to moneyg
Probably see a semi pro football league in a few years with colleges and universities dropping sports. It's not profitable for most.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 5:04 pm to TIGA 80
The NCAA is going to have to address a lot of thins bc of this ruling.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 5:09 pm to LSUGrrrl
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The NCAA is going to have to address a lot of thins bc of this ruling.
Why? Seems like Northwestern's problem.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 5:14 pm to TigerintheNO
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Didn't Mo Isom get a tryout with the football team?
Football isn't men's/woman's sports, it is an open sport.
If what you're saying is true, then why are the football numbers counted against "men's sports" when it comes to Title IX?
Football is what screws up everything in Title IX.
I once had lunch with the women's golf coach for a major university - she was a friend of a friend. She fully admitted that football screwed up everything for Title IX purposes. She told me that she got 8 golf scholarships while the men's team only got 4. To get a scholarship under her program (a major private university), all a girl had to do was consistently be able to break 80. Men golfers at her school had to be scratch golfers to even sniff a scholarship.
So, if, as you say, football is an open sport, then why does it skew the Title IX numbers so badly?
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 3/26/14 at 5:22 pm to LSUGrrrl
Great, more union scum.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 5:24 pm to LSUGrrrl
I'm going to feel pretty sad for the kids that just want to play ball if this ruins college sports.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 5:24 pm to MMauler
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So, if, as you say, football is an open sport, then why does it skew the Title IX numbers so badly?
Because Title IX was about screwing over Football dominated schools. thats all
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