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re: Bush 43 ruined it for Repubs...Obama the same for the Dems...
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:00 am to theunknownknight
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:00 am to theunknownknight
Or you can group them both the same, because they're both equally awful.
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:06 am to theunknownknight
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This thread is more of a deflection. It's like liberals can't just admit the obvious truth that Obama is the worst president in modern history and leave it at that. They gotta bring Bush into the confession to make them feel better.
It's not a deflection when it's in the title of the thread.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:07 am to a want
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The larger the mob, the harder the test. In small areas, before small electorates, a first-rate man occasionally fights his way through, carrying even the mob with him by force of his personality. But when the field is nationwide, and the fight must be waged chiefly at second and third hand, and the force of personality cannot so readily make itself felt, then all the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre—the man who can most easily adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum.
The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
H. L. Mencken 1920
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:13 am to JazzyJeff
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Will Americans finally pull their heads out of their (large) asses and finally vote for someone who can maybe do some good for the country?
I'd like to point out a couple of problems with the OP.
1)It seems to belie the real problem I see in politics and that is this odd belief that we elect a king.
2)We get exactly the government we are actually ASKING for. When polled, Americans reliably want "more" spent on a long laundry list of things and then reliably don't want a dime in extra taxes on themselves.
We vote asking for the impossible and as such, we get people promising the impossible. It really is almost hard to blame the elected people for doing pretty much what got them elected.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:16 am to SpartyGator
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Or you can group them both the same, because they're both equally awful.
One is a little worse than the other.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:18 am to MJM
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the corporate profit war driven profiteers that actually run it
Like who? Disney?Time Warner?Comcast? News Corp?
You think they're all controlling the evening news from their corporate offices and suppling them with the evening talking points? And they're all on the same page?
So MSNBC and Fox News both answer to the corporate profit war
profiteers?
Awesome! Thanks for the information!
What about the Daily Kos?Media Matters?Move-On?
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:28 am to RD Dawg
5 media companies essentially own everything that is on the tv, radio, newsprint, and popular entertainment (movies, music).
They own or directly benefit from all the products advertised on their mediums.
If you don't think there isn't a problem and avenue for abuse with that kind of concentration of power I don't know what to tell ya.
They own or directly benefit from all the products advertised on their mediums.
If you don't think there isn't a problem and avenue for abuse with that kind of concentration of power I don't know what to tell ya.
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 8:28 am
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:30 am to Sleeping Tiger
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If you don't think there isn't a problem and avenue for abuse with that kind of concentration of power I don't know what to tell ya.
So what's your answer to the so called problem?
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:36 am to SettleDown
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2)We get exactly the government we are actually ASKING for. When polled, Americans reliably want "more" spent on a long laundry list of things and then reliably don't want a dime in extra taxes on themselves.
This is a very good point.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:39 am to a want
quote:I tell people this all the time.
This is a very good point.
People love to rail at "the government" as if it falls out of the sky.
We ask for this shite. I rail against what those in power are doing but when I do, I'm really railing against the American people because it's those dumb fricks who keep going......."oooooh, look....he's offering us another shiny thing and telling us other people(rich) are going to pay for it". YAY!!!!!
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:39 am to JazzyJeff
The difference is that Bush 43 ruined it for repubs by being too liberal with his extra spending;
but Obama didn't ruin it by being too conservative. He also was too liberal.
but Obama didn't ruin it by being too conservative. He also was too liberal.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:40 am to CurDog
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i am going with no
Wise man here
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:42 am to SettleDown
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We vote asking for the impossible and as such, we get people promising the impossible. It really is almost hard to blame the elected people for doing pretty much what got them elected.
Amen! People don't want politicians who will level with them, they want to be lied to. However, I have to admit that I really did believe W when he said he was going to have a humble foreign policy and I really did believe Obama when he said he would close Guantanimo Bay, because those things weren't impossible for them to do.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:44 am to JazzyJeff
Jazzy Jeff: Let's list a few facts to gauge your credibility around here.
- You now live, and have lived, in Japan. You have lived, worked and raised a Japanese family in Japan. How many years has it been now? 20 years - since you have lived in the USA?
- You really dislike the USA and the US electorate. With many posts, you have called all American women "fat".
So, you are prejudiced against the USA and its people and you have lived in a foreign country for years.
I would think that you are much better situated to analyze Japanese politics, culture and people. I would be interested to hear your views on those topics.
My own personal interest in understanding your bigoted views with regard to the USA is zero.
- You now live, and have lived, in Japan. You have lived, worked and raised a Japanese family in Japan. How many years has it been now? 20 years - since you have lived in the USA?
- You really dislike the USA and the US electorate. With many posts, you have called all American women "fat".
So, you are prejudiced against the USA and its people and you have lived in a foreign country for years.
I would think that you are much better situated to analyze Japanese politics, culture and people. I would be interested to hear your views on those topics.
My own personal interest in understanding your bigoted views with regard to the USA is zero.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:44 am to Sleeping Tiger
The opinions/news sources are FAR more diverse today than 20,30,40 years ago. That's a good thing, right? Do you want to go back to good old days of 3 TV networks and evening news being the only (TV) source for news? We also have the internet where you can get all the anti corp anti war machine drivel you can digest.
Please give me examples of this corporate collusion and
groupthink...
Sorry,we are FAR better off information wise (for those who choose to look) than we've ever been...
Please give me examples of this corporate collusion and
groupthink...
Sorry,we are FAR better off information wise (for those who choose to look) than we've ever been...
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:46 am to trackfan
quote:Careful man. You aren't allowed to agree with me. I'm racist....remember?
Amen! People don't want politicians who will level with them, they want to be lied to.
OK. I'm just poking.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:57 am to theunknownknight
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This thread is more of a deflection. It's like liberals can't just admit the obvious truth that Obama is the worst president in modern history and leave it at that.
GW Bush let himself get bullied into a meaningless war that cost the lives of 3000 American soldiers and severely wounded several times more than that. And cost the country trillions. Oh and sat by while the economy sunk to the lowest since the great depression.
I'm pretty sure that's worse than Obamacare.
I think they've both done shite jobs. Just don't be narrowminded about it.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 9:05 am to BayouBlitz
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GW Bush let himself get bullied into a meaningless war that cost the lives of 3000 American soldiers and severely wounded several times more than that. And cost the country trillions. Oh and sat by while the economy sunk to the lowest since the great depression. I'm pretty sure that's worse than Obamacare.
It's as if people think Obama just pulled the ACA out of his arse. Healthcare reform was one of the biggest issues in the 2008 campaign.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 9:08 am to a want
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It's as if people think Obama just pulled the ACA out of his arse. Healthcare reform was one of the biggest issues in the 2008 campaign.
he didn't get elected in '08 because of Obamacare
Posted on 3/26/14 at 9:13 am to Choctaw
Not to mention the biggest terror attack in US history happened on his watch.
Obama would have been impeached by now if it happened under him. Hell just look at the reaction from the right over Benghazi
Obama would have been impeached by now if it happened under him. Hell just look at the reaction from the right over Benghazi
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