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In Honor of the Hobby Lobby Case, how is this a "Women's Rights" Issue?
Posted on 3/25/14 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 3/25/14 at 12:12 pm
for once i would love to have somebody explain how a private employer not providing birth control is a women's rights issue
this thread isn't about the Hobby Lobby case itself. just a discussion surrounding the framing of the argument from one side
i don't see how this has anything to do with rights. BC is still legal. any woman can buy it. government isn't outlawing anything
this thread isn't about the Hobby Lobby case itself. just a discussion surrounding the framing of the argument from one side
i don't see how this has anything to do with rights. BC is still legal. any woman can buy it. government isn't outlawing anything
Posted on 3/25/14 at 12:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
Forcing women to pay for their own birth control is a tax!!! Binders full of women!!!!
Posted on 3/25/14 at 12:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
How is Healthcare a right?
The country is insane.
The country is insane.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 12:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
There's this terrible line of logic that is developing that women HAVE TO (debatable) do certain things due to certain attributes of being a woman and shouldn't be "punished" for it.
Of course, this logic is never applied to men, as I clearly don't get enough sex.
Of course, this logic is never applied to men, as I clearly don't get enough sex.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 12:18 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
it's almost impossible to have a discussion with a person about this without them bringing up the "Viagra" argument
even though that has nothing to do with anything
even though that has nothing to do with anything
Posted on 3/25/14 at 12:19 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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Of course, this logic is never applied to men, as I clearly don't get enough sex.
But you sure as hell pay for it one way or another when you do get it.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 12:23 pm to mtntiger
perfect example. thanks DWS
Posted on 3/25/14 at 12:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Funny part of that ad is that I can't tell for sure if it's anti-hobby lobby or pro.
perfect example. thanks DWS
One could easily say that the ad is right. A boss shouldn't actually care what type of coverage EACH AND EVERY employee wants. He should determine what he wants to provide and if employees like it, great if not..........
But, regardless, one could expand that moronic ad to say that women should be able to demand coverage for a whole host of health care decisions.
Sex changes
Face lifts
Tit jobs
Butt lifts
Tummy Tucks
Vaginoplasty
I wouldn't call getting birth control a "health care" decision anyway. I'd call it a lifestyle decision given that there is literally zero REQUIREMENT for birth control(and no, I'm not anti-birth control...........very much for in fact)
Posted on 3/25/14 at 12:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:It's not. On the radio this morning was one of the protesters outside of the SCOTUS, saying "Employers have no right being involved in our personal healthcare!!"
i don't see how this has anything to do with rights.
Yet, ironically, she also felt that employers have an obligation to pay for healthcare.
By definition, if employers are paying for your healthcare--they are intimately involved in your care. They should have a say in what they do/not pay for.
This is the price of being dependent. You lose the ability to choose. And you are at the mercy and will of your provider.
"Beggars can't be choosers" as my elders used to say.
Why anyone would seek dependency and it associate lack of choice--is completely lost on me.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 12:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
I agree that a woman's health decisions are between her and her doctor (and her family)
But, I don't agree that her employer should have to pay for it.
Does that make me sexist? I'm confused on whether I am a racist bigot or a racist, sexist bigot.
But, I don't agree that her employer should have to pay for it.
Does that make me sexist? I'm confused on whether I am a racist bigot or a racist, sexist bigot.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 12:34 pm to Stingray
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How is Healthcare a right?
Even if it IS a right, then where is it written that the gubmint has to pay for it?
I have a right to free speech, clearly spelled out in the First Amendment. Where are my FREE magazine/newspaper/internet/cable TV/satellite radio subscriptions?
The Second Amendment gives me the right to bear arms. Do I send a copy of my AR-15 receipt to the House for reimbursement, or will I be getting a voucher for a new weapon in the mail?
These idiot libs think if you assign a right to something, it gives you the right to get whatever it is for FREE. Where in the hell did they ever come up with that stupid idea?
Posted on 3/25/14 at 12:38 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:In a nation that valued freedom, that would be the case. The DWSs of the world do NOT value freedom.
By definition, if employers are paying for your healthcare--they are intimately involved in your care. They should have a say in what they do/not pay for.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 12:50 pm to SettleDown
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The DWSs of the world do NOT value freedom.
Very good point.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 12:54 pm to Taxing Authority
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to pay for healthcare.
By definition, if employers are paying for your healthcare--they are intimately involved in your care.
I truly believe liberals never think any argument past the first emotion they feel AT THAT MOMENT.
Hence the absurd hypocrisy, built in counter arguments, and lack of any logic.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 1:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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for once i would love to have somebody explain how a private employer not providing birth control is a women's rights issue
Hobby Lobby does provide birth control. They are opposed to paying for abortion and the morning after pill.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 1:10 pm to SettleDown
quote:Judging by Pelosi's comments they consider "freedom" to be... being unencumbered by paying the bills.
The DWSs of the world do NOT value freedom.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 1:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
If employers didn't get tax incentives to provide insurance to their employees, then this wouldn't even be an issue in the first place.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 1:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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for once i would love to have somebody explain how a private employer not providing birth control is a women's rights issue
Nobody with an ounce of common fricking sense thinks it is... So you will be holding your breath for a while.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 1:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
The same reason banning sex-selective abortion is an attack on women's rights.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 1:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i don't see how this has anything to do with rights. BC is still legal. any woman can buy it. government isn't outlawing anything
Absolutely.
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The New York Times’ Adam Liptak puts it right there in the first sentence: “The Supreme Court on Tuesday will hear arguments in a case that pits religious liberty against women’s rights.” This could not be further from the truth. Women will have the same constitutional rights to acquire and use contraception regardless of whether Hobby Lobby wins or loses. More than that, they’ll have the exact same rights as they had before the contraception mandate was a gleam in Sec. Sebelius’ eye. What women won’t have is the right to force other people to pay for their contraception, but that has never been a right recognized by the Supreme Court.
In the Bizarro World of the newspapers, not paying for someone else’s contraception is the same thing as prohibiting them from purchasing and using them themselves. This is an obviously false equivalence, but one that leftists are bent on telling themselves. No matter how many times you point out that the business owners in these cases aren’t preventing their employees from purchasing and using contraception, a smug leftist will smile and say “but women’s rights, you see,” as if these magic words excuse the lie.
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