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In Honor of the Hobby Lobby Case, how is this a "Women's Rights" Issue?

Posted on 3/25/14 at 12:12 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/25/14 at 12:12 pm
for once i would love to have somebody explain how a private employer not providing birth control is a women's rights issue

this thread isn't about the Hobby Lobby case itself. just a discussion surrounding the framing of the argument from one side

i don't see how this has anything to do with rights. BC is still legal. any woman can buy it. government isn't outlawing anything
Posted by kingbob
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/25/14 at 12:13 pm to
Forcing women to pay for their own birth control is a tax!!! Binders full of women!!!!
Posted by Stingray
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 3/25/14 at 12:17 pm to
How is Healthcare a right?

The country is insane.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
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Posted on 3/25/14 at 12:17 pm to
There's this terrible line of logic that is developing that women HAVE TO (debatable) do certain things due to certain attributes of being a woman and shouldn't be "punished" for it.

Of course, this logic is never applied to men, as I clearly don't get enough sex.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/25/14 at 12:18 pm to
it's almost impossible to have a discussion with a person about this without them bringing up the "Viagra" argument

even though that has nothing to do with anything
Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 3/25/14 at 12:19 pm to
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Of course, this logic is never applied to men, as I clearly don't get enough sex.


But you sure as hell pay for it one way or another when you do get it.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/25/14 at 12:23 pm to


perfect example. thanks DWS
Posted by SettleDown
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Posted on 3/25/14 at 12:29 pm to
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perfect example. thanks DWS

Funny part of that ad is that I can't tell for sure if it's anti-hobby lobby or pro.

One could easily say that the ad is right. A boss shouldn't actually care what type of coverage EACH AND EVERY employee wants. He should determine what he wants to provide and if employees like it, great if not..........

But, regardless, one could expand that moronic ad to say that women should be able to demand coverage for a whole host of health care decisions.
Sex changes
Face lifts
Tit jobs
Butt lifts
Tummy Tucks
Vaginoplasty

I wouldn't call getting birth control a "health care" decision anyway. I'd call it a lifestyle decision given that there is literally zero REQUIREMENT for birth control(and no, I'm not anti-birth control...........very much for in fact)
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
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Posted on 3/25/14 at 12:33 pm to
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i don't see how this has anything to do with rights.
It's not. On the radio this morning was one of the protesters outside of the SCOTUS, saying "Employers have no right being involved in our personal healthcare!!"

Yet, ironically, she also felt that employers have an obligation to pay for healthcare.

By definition, if employers are paying for your healthcare--they are intimately involved in your care. They should have a say in what they do/not pay for.

This is the price of being dependent. You lose the ability to choose. And you are at the mercy and will of your provider.

"Beggars can't be choosers" as my elders used to say.

Why anyone would seek dependency and it associate lack of choice--is completely lost on me.
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 3/25/14 at 12:34 pm to
I agree that a woman's health decisions are between her and her doctor (and her family)

But, I don't agree that her employer should have to pay for it.

Does that make me sexist? I'm confused on whether I am a racist bigot or a racist, sexist bigot.

Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
26612 posts
Posted on 3/25/14 at 12:34 pm to
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How is Healthcare a right?


Even if it IS a right, then where is it written that the gubmint has to pay for it?

I have a right to free speech, clearly spelled out in the First Amendment. Where are my FREE magazine/newspaper/internet/cable TV/satellite radio subscriptions?

The Second Amendment gives me the right to bear arms. Do I send a copy of my AR-15 receipt to the House for reimbursement, or will I be getting a voucher for a new weapon in the mail?

These idiot libs think if you assign a right to something, it gives you the right to get whatever it is for FREE. Where in the hell did they ever come up with that stupid idea?
Posted by SettleDown
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Posted on 3/25/14 at 12:38 pm to
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By definition, if employers are paying for your healthcare--they are intimately involved in your care. They should have a say in what they do/not pay for.

In a nation that valued freedom, that would be the case. The DWSs of the world do NOT value freedom.
Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 3/25/14 at 12:50 pm to
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The DWSs of the world do NOT value freedom.


Very good point.
Posted by CptBengal
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Posted on 3/25/14 at 12:54 pm to
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to pay for healthcare.

By definition, if employers are paying for your healthcare--they are intimately involved in your care.



I truly believe liberals never think any argument past the first emotion they feel AT THAT MOMENT.

Hence the absurd hypocrisy, built in counter arguments, and lack of any logic.
Posted by wilfont
Gulfport, MS on a Jet Ski
Member since Apr 2007
14860 posts
Posted on 3/25/14 at 1:06 pm to
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for once i would love to have somebody explain how a private employer not providing birth control is a women's rights issue

Hobby Lobby does provide birth control. They are opposed to paying for abortion and the morning after pill.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57074 posts
Posted on 3/25/14 at 1:10 pm to
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The DWSs of the world do NOT value freedom.
Judging by Pelosi's comments they consider "freedom" to be... being unencumbered by paying the bills.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27302 posts
Posted on 3/25/14 at 1:12 pm to
If employers didn't get tax incentives to provide insurance to their employees, then this wouldn't even be an issue in the first place.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
80087 posts
Posted on 3/25/14 at 1:14 pm to
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for once i would love to have somebody explain how a private employer not providing birth control is a women's rights issue


Nobody with an ounce of common fricking sense thinks it is... So you will be holding your breath for a while.
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
60589 posts
Posted on 3/25/14 at 1:15 pm to
The same reason banning sex-selective abortion is an attack on women's rights.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118604 posts
Posted on 3/25/14 at 1:29 pm to
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i don't see how this has anything to do with rights. BC is still legal. any woman can buy it. government isn't outlawing anything


Absolutely.
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The New York Times’ Adam Liptak puts it right there in the first sentence: “The Supreme Court on Tuesday will hear arguments in a case that pits religious liberty against women’s rights.” This could not be further from the truth. Women will have the same constitutional rights to acquire and use contraception regardless of whether Hobby Lobby wins or loses. More than that, they’ll have the exact same rights as they had before the contraception mandate was a gleam in Sec. Sebelius’ eye. What women won’t have is the right to force other people to pay for their contraception, but that has never been a right recognized by the Supreme Court.

In the Bizarro World of the newspapers, not paying for someone else’s contraception is the same thing as prohibiting them from purchasing and using them themselves. This is an obviously false equivalence, but one that leftists are bent on telling themselves. No matter how many times you point out that the business owners in these cases aren’t preventing their employees from purchasing and using contraception, a smug leftist will smile and say “but women’s rights, you see,” as if these magic words excuse the lie.


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