3rd base base running decisions cost us a win yesterday

See thread at top, plenty of discussion about it

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Is this poor coaching or just bad luck?

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Laird's was a combination of Laird/Davis' fault. Laird needs to know to instinctively go home on that play, and Davis needs to be screaming at him, jumping up and down, and waving his arms the second he sees him NOT going home. None of that happened.

Ibarra's situation was bad luck. You always run that play out.

Dean's wasn't as much of a blunder as some are making it out. That was an extremely shallow line drive with a slow, timid runner at third. I'm OK with him holding up and giving the next guy in the order a swing.

I RA'd as I don't want to see this topic anymore, much less in a separate thread.

Not going home on a double play ball, especially with one of the fastest players in the conference, was a huge mistake.

I disagree on the play involving Ibarra. Baseball 101 in that situation, Ibarra had a "2 out lead" and was running on contact. You are taught in that situation to do exactly what he did. 97% of the time, the SS fields that ball cleanly and throws to first. You want to give yourself an opportunity to score if it's a bad throw or the runner going to first beats it out.

Not sending Dean in the last inning was bonehead too. However, does anyone know without a doubt that Davis held Dean up there? Maybe he got a bad jump and pulled up on his own? What was Davis' or CPM's reaction after the play?

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Not sending Dean in the last inning was bonehead too.

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I can only imagine this board if we had ended the game by getting thrown out a home plate.

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I can only imagine this board if we had ended the game by getting thrown out a home plate.

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T'would be a melt for the ages.

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Ibarra's situation was bad luck. You always run that play out.

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Quit saying this. You do not ALWAYS run home from second base on a ground ball in the infield. I know what you are getting at, but as I have said before, sometimes you think one thing before the play, but when the play unfolds you have to react to what is happening. If the shortstop fields the ball deep in the hole and makes a long throw across the infield, sure, you can take a shot at scoring from second base. But as soon as he bobbled the ball, you have to know that the shortstop is not going to throw the ball across the diamond, and the third base coach has to stop the runner.

The same thing happened Saturday night. Laird singled to left with two outs and a runner on 2B. Usually, Laird should continue to second base beacause if a play is made at the plate he will be standing on 2B. If they cut the throw off, and throw to get Laird out, he will at least have assured that the runner from 2B will have scored. Here's the major problem, that scenario is played out only if there will be a close play at the plate. The left fielder bobbled the ground ball, and therefore there was no longer a play to be made at home. Laird has to stop at first base because no outfielder past the age of 9 years old will throw home to get the runner from 2B after they have bobbled the ball in the outfield.


You can not always be a robot. Sometimes you have to react to the situation as it unfolds. How many teams in the country are thrown out by 3 steps as much as LSU?


Mason Katz has lost control of Christian Ibarra!

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Second, ran home without looking on error by shortstop and getting thrown out at home, not even close.

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This is not a bad decision at all. The teach them to round third base on routine ground ball third outs in the event an error happens. Absolutely no blame should be placed on Ibarra. Unfortunate situation.

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Third, failed to run home on short pop fly to left which would have been close play at the plate.

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Incredibly bad decision, especially given that it was the last inning of the game and everyone knew it.

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Well you're wrong

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Ibarra being out by 14 steps says I'm right.

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There is no "react as the play unfolds". They teach the kids to round the bag in the event of an error. When the ball was bobbled, nothing else could be done at that point.

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Ibarra must be the fastest human on Earth. Was he stealing on the pitch? How was he already AROUND third base when the shortstop bobbled the ground ball? It's impossible, he couldn't be. A good third base coach is about 1/3 of the way towards home and IN FRONT of the runner so that he can throw up the stop sign and get Ibarra to hold up at the bag. There was not going to be a throw to first base after the bobble. Ibarra may be Latin, but he is not Speedy Gonzales. He could not possibly have already been past third base.

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Laird is fast. He is probably going to attempt to get to second base every time a ball is thrown in the direction of home plate. Make the fielders make a play in that spot.

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But the ball was bobbled by the left fielder. That's exactly the point. THERE WAS NO THROW HOME.

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There were 2 outs in the inning. Him getting in scoring position with 2 outs in the inning would have been huge.

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Great, let him steal on the next pitch or two.

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Well, Laird wasn't thrown out by 3 steps, so I don't know what to tell you. If there was even a slight bobble or hesitation on the part of the third baseman, Laird would have been safe and would have been in scoring position with 2 outs in the inning. If the throw had been off the mark at all, Laird would have been safe.

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No it wasn't close. Easy out, inning over, no reason to let Bregman hit with runners on base.

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If you don't understand these situations, you really don't understand baseball.

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If you don't understand that when the defense boots a ball that everything changes, then keep being happy with runners wasting big innings by running into outs.



I know what you are trying to say. That crap is BEFORE THE BALL IS HIT. After the ball is hit everything must be open to change.

My bad, we were awesome offensively this past weekend. We definitely should have swept scoring 4 runs, 2 runs, and 2 runs (13 innings).

No issues at all!!!!

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He isn't a great base stealer.

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This brings up an entire different topic. Why don't we have good base stealers? Nobody in the country has many guys faster than Laird and Stevenson. Why aren't those guys swiping bases left and right? Why haven't we had a legit base stealer since Mikie Mahtook left, and even then he was the only one? I thought our recruiting philosophy has been to get more speedsters? Our outfield is loaded with speed, yet we steal less bases than the Bertman Gorilla Ball teams.