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Should Davis Play the Five After All?
Posted on 3/23/14 at 8:45 am
Posted on 3/23/14 at 8:45 am
I've always maintained the position that he's best suited to play PF. But given the fact that the 4 and 5 spots are not a rigidly defined as they used to be (at least on most teams, imo) maybe I've been wrong. Maybe a solid PF with some athleticism and bulk paired with AD would work?
Maybe not, but I've been considering it, at least. Thoughts?
Maybe not, but I've been considering it, at least. Thoughts?
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Posted on 3/23/14 at 8:48 am to VOR
Worth a shot. He's a game changer. Why not?
Posted on 3/23/14 at 9:02 am to Giantkiller
I think getting a big defensive 5 and an athletic 4 who are role players but can contribute ~15 min per game is a great idea for this team. With Ryno and Davis, we don't need studs around then just guys that can contribute and play their role. It doesn't matter if AD is a 4 or a 5. His game doesn't change, but getting a 4 and a 5 who can contribute can really change this team.
Posted on 3/23/14 at 9:09 am to VOR
The beauty of AD is that he can play either. We need both Ryno and an Asik type rebounding rim protector. Then you pick your spots on whether you play more Ryno or Asik. Unfortunately Asik may be too expensive so we'll have to settle for a Mozgov/Koufos.
Posted on 3/23/14 at 9:35 am to TigerinATL
AD is quickly becoming the best combo 4/5 in the league and prob in the convo for top 5 in the league.
Ryno still is the key with our current group of players (especially Reke). Tho Reke has been playing well having Ryno pull a big out of the lane just adds a new dimension to his production. Help down to stop Reke, Ryno drops a 3 bomb. Stay close to Ryno and Reke has a much easier path to the rim.
I think Ajinca can be a decent rim protector when he learns a little more discipline to stay out of foul trouble.
Also lets not forget that AFAs skill set also meshes well with Ryno and AD for stretches bc it allows AFA to play the 4 on offense which i believe is a better fit for him.
Ryno still is the key with our current group of players (especially Reke). Tho Reke has been playing well having Ryno pull a big out of the lane just adds a new dimension to his production. Help down to stop Reke, Ryno drops a 3 bomb. Stay close to Ryno and Reke has a much easier path to the rim.
I think Ajinca can be a decent rim protector when he learns a little more discipline to stay out of foul trouble.
Also lets not forget that AFAs skill set also meshes well with Ryno and AD for stretches bc it allows AFA to play the 4 on offense which i believe is a better fit for him.
This post was edited on 3/23/14 at 9:40 am
Posted on 3/23/14 at 9:55 am to VOR
The league doesn't have a 5 position right now...so he's really a 4 but in the league today with the role of the 5 kind of disappearing he's a 5 hybrid.
He's so sick tho! Hope we can hold onto him!
He's so sick tho! Hope we can hold onto him!
Posted on 3/23/14 at 10:28 am to longhorn22
I want him working on low post all offseason. If he gets a good low post game...unstoppable.
I do know he's been working on his 3 point shot. I think he wants to work on that over time just to be a complete player.
I do know he's been working on his 3 point shot. I think he wants to work on that over time just to be a complete player.
Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:13 am to STEVED00
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Ryno still is the key with our current group of players (especially Reke). Tho Reke has been playing well having Ryno pull a big out of the lane just adds a new dimension to his production. Help down to stop Reke, Ryno drops a 3 bomb. Stay close to Ryno and Reke has a much easier path to the rim
Why would a big go out to defend Anderson? I mean other teams can play zone. He is not a post threat and he can't really drive, so teams will just defend him with a perimeter player.
I don't see how Anderson and Davis will mesh together. Davis plays better without him. He is a stretch 5 (new position). He needs a banger to compliment him. Someone like a Ben Wallace from back in the day. We can get 3pt shooting from the backcourt, especially with Holiday back.
Another thing, we don't need as many scorers as we have now. We have 5 guys that have been 15+ppg guys. That's just not going to work. Someone has to take a backseat. Davis is a star and should be the 1st option. The other 4 guys (Anderson, Holiday, Gordon and Evans) are or should be 3rd options at best. None are solid all stars, which is what we need to put next to Davis. We should package two or three of them for a good 2nd option.
Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:26 am to Fun Bunch
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I do know he's been working on his 3 point shot. I
Posted on 3/23/14 at 12:34 pm to HeadyBrosevelt
Davis should never play a back to the basket post moves 5, he is far more effective fronting the basket. I know Calipari said when he was drafted that AD is a 4 and should never play a tradition 5. He will gain strength, but he will never have the 280 lbs of a Drummond or 270 of Dwight or Cousins.
Posted on 3/23/14 at 12:42 pm to longhorn22
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Hope we can hold onto him!
you can't say we if you are openly supporting another team over this team
Posted on 3/23/14 at 12:49 pm to kysportsman
I agree. He's far more comfortable with his front to the basket. His midrange game is money.
During the offseason, will he be more likely to develop some post moves, or is he more likely to take 2 steps back from the midrange and develop a 3?
During the offseason, will he be more likely to develop some post moves, or is he more likely to take 2 steps back from the midrange and develop a 3?
Posted on 3/23/14 at 2:58 pm to VOR
Yes.
Not all night, every night- at least not yet. If we're projecting him out, he's always been a guy who could play the 5. He needs more playing strength, but that will continue to increase. But he can also play next to a true center as well. He's like Duncan. Or PHX Amare who pays defense. He doesn't need a big low post game, the video link I posted on him shows just how diverse and unique his offense is. Don't limit him
I just don't understand the resistance to him playing there. Someone said his offensive game was too good to be a 5. What in the ever living frick does that even mean?
They need one true center on the roster, not 3. And that guy needs to be able to rebound and not foul all the time. And I'm fine keeping Amimu and Babbitt as bench 3/4 guys, assuming Monty understands their value, and filling out the roster with two other wings
Not all night, every night- at least not yet. If we're projecting him out, he's always been a guy who could play the 5. He needs more playing strength, but that will continue to increase. But he can also play next to a true center as well. He's like Duncan. Or PHX Amare who pays defense. He doesn't need a big low post game, the video link I posted on him shows just how diverse and unique his offense is. Don't limit him
I just don't understand the resistance to him playing there. Someone said his offensive game was too good to be a 5. What in the ever living frick does that even mean?
They need one true center on the roster, not 3. And that guy needs to be able to rebound and not foul all the time. And I'm fine keeping Amimu and Babbitt as bench 3/4 guys, assuming Monty understands their value, and filling out the roster with two other wings
Posted on 3/23/14 at 6:13 pm to TigerinATL
I want mozgov over koufus
Is it the offseason yet?
Is it the offseason yet?
Posted on 3/23/14 at 6:51 pm to BuddyLAM
I think that the ideal situation would be moving him to the 5 for the 2015-16 season. That would give him two more offseasons to add strength and weight. Ryno would be playing for his next contract, so hopefully he'll focus a little more on D.*
*I don't think his defense is as bad as some make it out to be.
*I don't think his defense is as bad as some make it out to be.
Posted on 3/23/14 at 7:07 pm to HickfawJim1
He does not have the bulk to be a full time 5. When other team is going small, then definitely.
Posted on 3/23/14 at 7:16 pm to VOR
AD can play it all. He has the rare ability, height, and length to be effective at both spots. When youre as lanky as he is, you dont need to be 280lbs to play as a C.
He can also dribble and take the ball coast to coast if need be. Hes turning into 1 of those guys that can pretty much play any position. He can play C,PF, F, or as a guard. He can do it all.
Wherever we are weakest at, I want him to play. If we have a good C but a weak PF, ill put him at PF and vice versa.
But hes evolving into 1 of those guys that can play down low and guard against a post player, and can play on the perimeter and guard against a guard. The more his perimeter game evolves, the more he reminds me of KD minus the range. But I think AD will develop a good 3pt game as well.
Kids so good its scary. In a league full of freaks, hes 1 of the biggest if not the biggest.
He can also dribble and take the ball coast to coast if need be. Hes turning into 1 of those guys that can pretty much play any position. He can play C,PF, F, or as a guard. He can do it all.
Wherever we are weakest at, I want him to play. If we have a good C but a weak PF, ill put him at PF and vice versa.
But hes evolving into 1 of those guys that can play down low and guard against a post player, and can play on the perimeter and guard against a guard. The more his perimeter game evolves, the more he reminds me of KD minus the range. But I think AD will develop a good 3pt game as well.
Kids so good its scary. In a league full of freaks, hes 1 of the biggest if not the biggest.
Posted on 3/23/14 at 7:22 pm to Gtothemoney
quote:Davis said a couple weeks ago that he's not really interested in shooting threes, thats what his teammates are for. Plus, I have no doubt that he could be taking them now at an OK percentage if they wanted him to.
During the offseason, will he be more likely to develop some post moves, or is he more likely to take 2 steps back from the midrange and develop a 3?
He's definitely gonna focus post stuff in the offseason, though. You can listen to Kevin Hanson talk about it HERE on the B&B report.
Says they're gonna work more on his back to the basket game. "Typical post man game." Duncan-style.
They're also gonna work on him putting the ball on the ground more than once, in the half court. We know he's got the one dribble pull up. And when he goes to the rim, its usually one dribble, then takeoff. I guess they want him to be able to put the ball down more in traffic, to avoid some of the charges he runs in to. He also can get himself caught at awkward angles under the rim at times.
From what I've seen, I think his post game is already pretty good. He just needs to get stronger to hold position with his back to the defender and not get pushed out so far.
Posted on 3/23/14 at 7:25 pm to eyeran
There is no "should" anymore. He has proven he can play the position. If this team truly wants its best players on the floor in the future, then Davis will see the 5 and Anderson will see the 4.
Posted on 3/23/14 at 7:28 pm to KG5989
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you dont need to be 280lbs to play as a C
And with the way (American) kids eat these days, it's going to be increasingly difficult to find players whose bones are strong enough to support that much weight anyway.
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