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Commishs (or anyone) of NCAA leagues, how would you handle this?


Let's say that your league has agreed to a rule where there's no going for it on 4th downs unless it's 4th and 2 and under, 4th quarter, on the opponents side of the field, or you're down by 21.

Let's also say team A goes for it on 4th and 3 from their own 45 yard line down 7 in the first quarter. Team B makes slight mention of the rule, but does nothing else to stop the game or draw attention to it. Team A converts, scoring a TD later in the drive. No other 4th down conversions are attempted by Team A.

The game ends in dramatic fashion with Team A coming out on top 52-49. Immediately upon conclusion team B points to the fact that Team A went for it on a 4th down greater than two yards to go leading to a scoring play that was greater than the difference in the outcome of the game and wants retribution.

Commish, how would you handle this? There is no precedent set and this is the first time this issue had been addressed.



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Matisyeezy
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your league has agreed to a rule where there's no going for it on 4th downs unless it's 4th and 2 and under, 4th quarter, on the opponents side of the field, or you're down by 21


To me the rule is pretty specific. What was done is in clear violation of that. That being said, I don't find it particularly egregious for team A to make that call. I think it becomes a situation where this is only a discussion insofar as it involves establishing precedent. If you rule in favor of it being acceptable, you open up the door for more ridiculous situations. If you honor the rule as stated, you enforce the rules and remind users of their authority.

I'd have to enforce the rules. To me, to do less is to invite more trouble down the road. I'd agree the Team B gets the benefit of the doubt here; that was the first quarter. There was a lot of game left. But to do less is to invite the same stuff in the second half of games, and that's more problematic. Toe the party line.






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frick team A. Rules are rules and he knew them. Team B even reminds him of them





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Of course Team A is not going to like it, but you have to enforce the rules. Regardless of the outcome and the fact that they finished the game, he broke a rule.

It's kind of like a guy waiting to see if a shot goes in before calling a foul. Regardless of when it's called, as annoying as it may be, he was still fouled.






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I understand he violated a rule but let's be honest that rule needs to be looked at. A 4th and 3 on your own 45 is a VERY realistic situation of a team going for it in real life.

But also with that said to me no action should be taken because team B is only complaining because he lost. (I know he mentioned it when it happened) but what actual repercussions do talk have set if they a person breaks the rule? To me at that very moment team b should have said punt or in exiting the game. With that not happening I don't see how you can punish team A now.






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Tiger Nation 84
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Gatorreb sounds like the guy that goes for the 4th and 3 and then complains that he did nothing wrong





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It's a realistic situation to go for it. But rules are rules, he should have punted.

When I was in a league, this one dude complained that I ran the ball up the middle too much. But I explained to the commish that he kept putting in a dime defense, WTF was I supposed to do?






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Brettesaurus Rex
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Now let's say the commish of this league threw the entire game out and forced a replay bc of that single play. Do you believe that to be adequate punishment or going overboard? Again, there's been no precedent set and this has never been very strictly enforced before.


Are there suggestions on how it could have otherwise been handled? I feel throwing the entire game out was an overreaction, but what else could be done?



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1st offense = Warning from league
2nd offense = kick out of league






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Brettesaurus Rex
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Holy frick you're harsh.





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SaintLSUnAtl
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Sounds like a bitch rule to me





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Chimlim
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Total overreaction. Not like he converted a money play on 4th and 15.

Probably should have given him a warning or something.






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Thread Hijack..........




Had a similar scenario play out a month or 2 ago.

Team A went for it on 4th and 2 with 90 seconds before the 4th quarter when trailing by 7(If I remember correctly). The rule is similar to the one talked about here. Only can go on 4th down ect. Team A went for it on there 40 yard line on a 4th and 2 call 90 sec before the 4th quarter(when in retrospect was a do or die kind of situation). Ofcoarse Team A gets the first down and Team B goes ape shite. The reasoning behind Team A going for it was they were trading TDs at the moment and going into the 4th quarter trailing by 7 and with the other user being able to possibly milk the entire clock it was a shitty situation.

This is a very close line here as 90 seconds was the difference from, "right" or "wrong"...but the outcome of this game was Team A won.

Commish ended up throwing the game, then simmed the game and Team A still won.

What do yall say? It was definitly a momentum type switch by going for it as Team A took some of it back because they were playing on the road, but if they dont convert they end up losing anyways. Instead they kind of took matters into their own hands and helped guid their own destiny.

A very similiar occurrance happened right after this game where Team A was down by 13 mid 3rd quarter, ended up scoring before the 4th with .02 sec remaining in the 3rd then Team B milked the clock down to 2 min remaining in the game. Team A forced a turnover on the goal line and then marched down the field to score with unde 20 sec left in the game and won.






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Tiger Nation 84
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LH get back in your cage you little bastard





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Brettesaurus Rex
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Yeah those seem like pretty damn similar instances. That one being so close to the 4th quarter and this one only being a 4th and 3 practically at mid field.

If anyone couldn't tell already, I was playing as Team A. I basically had to fight off an entire dynasty bc I was then labeled as a "cheater who wouldn't have won without doing that." When clearly, it was very early in the game and there were a total of 14 TDs score between us. I marched down the field with 22 seconds left to take the lead and win. Then Team B brings that up and gets the entire game tossed. It just really pissed me off that an entire game was wasted bc of such a tiny play and wanted to get some outside perspective
Everyone was just blindly pointing to the rule saying there's rules for a reason and you broke it so deal with it. But IMO, with that kind if attitude I might as well have gone for it on 4th and every two point conversion every time with the game getting thrown out bc it would have been the same result anyway.

I'm just curious what kind if middle ground there could have been for these guys who are so staunch about the rules and though throwing the game was the only option and in their eyes, not doing anything about it.






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Tiger Nation 84
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Because it enables everyone to do it. The thing about this game is that it is geared for you to get those 4th downs





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longhorn22
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I was a commish of dynasties for a couple of years and see both sides of this.

I think in your case that going for it in the 1st quarter is not acceptable! After halftime(like in the scenario I played out) it seems more likely because the game has already had momentum swings ect. that you can get a feel for a game, but going for it in the 1st quarter there is ALOT of game left to be played so the CORRECT move is to PUNT.

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Total overreaction. Not like he converted a money play on 4th and 15.


This is very true as well...






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SaintLSUnAtl
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That's why I could never play in a dynasty. They add little pussy bs rules that don't exist. You can play as long as you're predictable. F that

Well, that and I'm terrible

I can understand having a rule that you can't exploit a glitch. But no going on fourth, no two point conv, no onside kick etc is just dumb






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what whore you staring at today in safety school?





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no two point conv, no onside kick etc is just dumb


we've always abided by the correct rules and just did the right things on these 2 fronts, but I do get where you are coming from.

If you want to make these games as "real" as possible and play them "real" well who says in a real life situation the coach doesnt want to start the game with an onside kick? Or if they score the first TD and playing on the road and is an underdog goes for 2 the first time down? These are realistic scenarios...yet are frowned upon in dynasties






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