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Electrical Help, Fan/Light and multiple switch wiring
Posted on 3/16/14 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 3/16/14 at 1:32 pm
I need some help with some switches and wiring, its all sorts of f'd up
I have a fan/light that is controlled by 4 switches. Two of them are dimming switches that have never worked and I didn't care as all these switches are within 14 feet of each other, so never been an issue. Well I got a new fan and finally decided to get them corrected. Any help would be appreciated.
I won't include the grounds below
Fan has black(fan), blue(light), white
Fan outlet has red, black, white
Switch 1 is 3 way
Switch 1 outlet box has 2 sets of wires, both with red, black, white
All the like colors are wired together on the switch, black and white on one side, with red on the other
Switch 2 is a dimmer, single or triple pole, this one has never worker. Dimmer was bad, I purchased a new one
Outlet has one wire, pretty sure it come from outlet 1, has red, black, and white.
Outlet 3 is a double switch, one single pole, one dimmer
It has three wires
Wire 1, white and black, guessing this is the main line in
Wire 2 red black white
Wire 3 red black white
Currently outlet 3 is wired like this
Single pole switch has red from wire 2 and shared black from wire 3 and 1
Dimmer is shared black from wire 1 and 3 and white from wire 3
White from wires 1 and 3 are paired
Black from wire 2 is paired with the red from wire three
Currently I have the fan wired fan blue to outlet red, light black to outlet black, white to white
The dimmer on switch 2 works, the switch on 1 does not turn it off and only amplifies the fan when switched.
The switch on outlet 3 throws the breaker every time, no mater how the black and blue from the fan are wired, the dimmer on three still does not work, i haven't replaced yet.
I hope this comes through okay.
I have a fan/light that is controlled by 4 switches. Two of them are dimming switches that have never worked and I didn't care as all these switches are within 14 feet of each other, so never been an issue. Well I got a new fan and finally decided to get them corrected. Any help would be appreciated.
I won't include the grounds below
Fan has black(fan), blue(light), white
Fan outlet has red, black, white
Switch 1 is 3 way
Switch 1 outlet box has 2 sets of wires, both with red, black, white
All the like colors are wired together on the switch, black and white on one side, with red on the other
Switch 2 is a dimmer, single or triple pole, this one has never worker. Dimmer was bad, I purchased a new one
Outlet has one wire, pretty sure it come from outlet 1, has red, black, and white.
Outlet 3 is a double switch, one single pole, one dimmer
It has three wires
Wire 1, white and black, guessing this is the main line in
Wire 2 red black white
Wire 3 red black white
Currently outlet 3 is wired like this
Single pole switch has red from wire 2 and shared black from wire 3 and 1
Dimmer is shared black from wire 1 and 3 and white from wire 3
White from wires 1 and 3 are paired
Black from wire 2 is paired with the red from wire three
Currently I have the fan wired fan blue to outlet red, light black to outlet black, white to white
The dimmer on switch 2 works, the switch on 1 does not turn it off and only amplifies the fan when switched.
The switch on outlet 3 throws the breaker every time, no mater how the black and blue from the fan are wired, the dimmer on three still does not work, i haven't replaced yet.
I hope this comes through okay.
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 1:58 pm to NYCAuburn
You need help with explaining too. 
Might be able to help, you have a TD/trash e-mail?
Might be able to help, you have a TD/trash e-mail?
Posted on 3/16/14 at 2:08 pm to NYCAuburn
You in Auburn? That was rough to try to understand.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 2:11 pm to QuietTiger
It's fricked up to start. And without pictures, its worse
I had a little breakthrough after typing this as far as the wire orientation. I hope I'm correct
So I have a fan/light combo and three switch outlets,( two single switch outlets and one double.)
I am pretty sure the main power(black, white, ground) goes into the double switch outlet. From that double switch outlet are two outgoing lines(red, black, white, ground). I am almost positive one of those lines goes to the fan and the other goes to another single switch outlet.
That next single switch outlet also has another line(red, black, white, ground) that goes onto a second single switch outlet.
I need the best way to wire it, so the switches at least work.
This post was edited on 3/16/14 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 3/16/14 at 2:16 pm to NYCAuburn
quote:
Fan has black(fan), blue(light), white Fan outlet has red, black, white
Three way wiring, can not help.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 2:18 pm to NYCAuburn
If you are pretty sure you know which is the power source we might could do it, but it;ll be a process that's why I asked about the email.
The power source is the 2 wire I would guess, the white from it should be tied into just one other white, is that the case?
The power source is the 2 wire I would guess, the white from it should be tied into just one other white, is that the case?
Posted on 3/16/14 at 2:23 pm to QuietTiger
Like I said currently its fricked up, but that hopefully main power line(just white black that goes into the double switch) is currently just connected to only another outgoing white wire from the double switch box.
I think that line is running the one running to the fan box, only other scenario is its running to the other switch box the has two lines, both have red black white.
I think I am going to have to have 3 switches controlling one function. Both individual switches and one from the double box.
I think that line is running the one running to the fan box, only other scenario is its running to the other switch box the has two lines, both have red black white.
I think I am going to have to have 3 switches controlling one function. Both individual switches and one from the double box.
This post was edited on 3/16/14 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 3/16/14 at 2:26 pm to NYCAuburn
If you tough the hot black to the red or black wire that has the 2 whites tied together you should get the light or fan working one at a time if the chains are in the on position.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 2:29 pm to NYCAuburn
quote:
Switch 1 is 3 way
Switch 1 outlet box has 2 sets of wires, both with red, black, white
All the like colors are wired together on the switch, black and white on one side, with red on the other
Are you saying here that you have a switch with only 3 terminals that have 2 wires of the same color on each terminal?
Posted on 3/16/14 at 2:36 pm to NYCAuburn
Speaking as a licensed electrician with 20 years of experience, hire a qualified sparky to do the job. If you want it done right, that's the only way to get that clusterfrick you described working properly.
Or, you can just be like Jake and put wires together and take them apart and put them back together a different way until your fan works.
Or, you can just be like Jake and put wires together and take them apart and put them back together a different way until your fan works.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 2:39 pm to NYCAuburn
damn, sonnnn....I think Ima have to see a picture to get a grasp on that...
Posted on 3/16/14 at 2:48 pm to QuietTiger
quote:
If you tough the hot black to the red or black wire that has the 2 whites tied together you should get the light or fan working one at a time if the chains are in the on position.
It's definitely the main line. I have the routes figured out. I was correct above.
Main line comes into the double switch box. Two lines out of that box. Both outgoing are red, black, white. One goes to second switch box, which is one switch. That second switch box has another line that goes to the third switch box.
The second outgoing line from the double switch box goes to the fan.
I checked it all using a single pole switch
Shitty thing now is, the red line going to the fan is now throwing the breaker everything I complete the circuit.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 2:53 pm to NYCAuburn
What you have I would guess is a switch for the fan and then what is called a 4 way system for the light which means you can turn the light on from more than 2 places.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 2:56 pm to QuietTiger
quote:
black and white on one side, with red on the other
Sorry, racist.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:03 pm to QuietTiger
quote:
Are you saying here that you have a switch with only 3 terminals that have 2 wires of the same color on each terminal?
A non single pole switch, yes has three terminals and a ground. The incoming and outgoing wires in this switch box are all paired together(same colors), and attached to an individual terminal on the switch.
But I can use what ever switch is the one needed. That's just how it was wired.
This post was edited on 3/16/14 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:07 pm to NYCAuburn
So you have 2 whites on one terminal, 2 blacks on one and 2 reds on the other? Somebody installed a 3 way switch where a 4 way was cause they were like you.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:14 pm to QuietTiger
Yup, I think I said in the op two of the switches/dimmers never worked.
So I need a four way switch there?
Do they make a dimmer that would work.
I'd like to have three dimmers and a fan switch. Or at least two dimmers, one light switch and a fan switch.
So I need a four way switch there?
Do they make a dimmer that would work.
I'd like to have three dimmers and a fan switch. Or at least two dimmers, one light switch and a fan switch.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:28 pm to NYCAuburn
In your house I'd be happy with a dimmer next to the fan switch if I were you. I can get it all working for you but not on TD.
The easiest way now for you is to use 2 single pole switches. Leave the 2 whites tied together, disconnect any other wires from the red and black that you know goes to the fan/light box, put the red on one switch, black on one switch and jump your known hot to each switch.
The easiest way now for you is to use 2 single pole switches. Leave the 2 whites tied together, disconnect any other wires from the red and black that you know goes to the fan/light box, put the red on one switch, black on one switch and jump your known hot to each switch.
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