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Debate... Zach v. Draconian Sanctions Topic: Cap Pun
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:41 pm
This thread has it's genesis in the idea the DS can't stay on a straight line of argumentation even though he's a lawyer. It was his idea, not mine. But I'm game and it should be fun.
To other posters...feel free to chime in. The debate must start with a resolution, so here it is:
RESOLVED; CAPITAL PUNISHMENT SHOULD BE ABOLISHED
DS stands for the resolution. Zach stands in opposition.
Therefore, DS, shall present his case. It's your floor, DS...
To other posters...feel free to chime in. The debate must start with a resolution, so here it is:
RESOLVED; CAPITAL PUNISHMENT SHOULD BE ABOLISHED
DS stands for the resolution. Zach stands in opposition.
Therefore, DS, shall present his case. It's your floor, DS...
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:43 pm to Zach
Come on DS, make a good case.
Don't frick it up.
Don't frick it up.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:45 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:
Come on DS, make a good case.
Don't frick it up.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:46 pm to Zach
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:46 pm to Zach
:kern:
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:46 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:
Come on DS, make a good case.
Don't frick it up.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:47 pm to Zach
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:47 pm to FightinTigersDammit
"Pre law, i thought you were pre med?"
"Whats the difference ?"
"Whats the difference ?"
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:48 pm to Zach
Im against capital punishment as currently executed (no pun intended), so Zach youll have your work cut out for you to change my mind. If DS cant win this one he better ask for a refund on that whole JD thing.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:50 pm to Wolfhound45
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Wolfhound45
copycat
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:50 pm to Zach
Well #1 you would think that for people on the right side of the aisle, those who frequently champion smaller government and demonize the role of the state, this would be an easy issue for them. Here we literally have the state murdering its own citizens. Is that not an extension of "big government"? You don't trust the state to hand out and monitor food stamps activities but you do trust them to carry out executions?
#2 as we've seen recently, being convicted of murder and sentenced to death doesn't actually mean that you even did anything wrong LINK
#3 The death penalty does not deter people from murder LINK
#4 The death penalty is ultimate act of vengeance. Is this something that we want the state to be involved in? Again the right often criticizes the role of emotion in policy making, saying that's a flawed position to start from. If that's the case then how is this situation different? People say to think of the victims and their families but should victims really be the ones we're listening to when doling out sentences? How is that equitable with the concept of judicial justice, where both sides are supposed to be given fair treatment? Obviously there is a public need to remove dangerous people from society, this is easily accomplished through life in prison.
#2 as we've seen recently, being convicted of murder and sentenced to death doesn't actually mean that you even did anything wrong LINK
#3 The death penalty does not deter people from murder LINK
#4 The death penalty is ultimate act of vengeance. Is this something that we want the state to be involved in? Again the right often criticizes the role of emotion in policy making, saying that's a flawed position to start from. If that's the case then how is this situation different? People say to think of the victims and their families but should victims really be the ones we're listening to when doling out sentences? How is that equitable with the concept of judicial justice, where both sides are supposed to be given fair treatment? Obviously there is a public need to remove dangerous people from society, this is easily accomplished through life in prison.
This post was edited on 3/13/14 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:52 pm to jcole4lsu
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If DS cant win this one he better ask for a refund on that whole JD thing.
Being that he can't tell the difference between justice and mercy, he should have already asked for that refund.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:52 pm to Zach
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It was his idea
Then props to DS for the damn good idea.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:53 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Draconian Sanctions
#1 good
#2 good
#3 iffy
#4 yawn
id have changed #4 out with the outrageous cost of killing a mofo these days, but thats just me.
solid opening. your move Zach
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:53 pm to Zach
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can't stay on a straight line of argumentation even though he's a lawyer.
Big part of being a lawyer.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:54 pm to Zach
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something that is ... very easy to determine left v. right.
quote:
CAPITAL PUNISHMENT
I disagree.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:54 pm to jcole4lsu
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Im against capital punishment as currently executed (no pun intended), so Zach youll have your work cut out for you to change my mind. If DS cant win this one he better ask for a refund on that whole JD thing.
That's not the point. This thread is not to prove Cap Pun is good or bad. It's to prove that DS cannot argue points in a straight line. He deflects, obfuscates and uses emoticons. Yet, he is a lawyer.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:55 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Ok DS so now
come on zach
come on zach
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:55 pm to willthezombie
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copycat
Just too fast for me. Have to go to an old standard as a backup.
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