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Bitcoin is a Ponzi scheme

Posted on 3/10/14 at 11:07 am
Posted by htownjeep
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 11:07 am
According to Nouriel Roubini

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Wasn't there a debate between joshie and someone about this being a Ponzi scheme?
Posted by ZereauxSum
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 11:11 am to
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"Bitcoin isn't a currency," he said. "It is (by the way) a Ponzi game and a conduit for criminal/illegal activities. And it isn't safe given hacking of it."


You're going to make a couple peoples' heads explode with this bit.
Posted by Poodlebrain
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:24 pm to
Roubini isn't Austrian, so he doesn't know anything about economics.
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:47 pm to
Federal Reserve Notes are a ponzi scheme.
Posted by brucevilanch
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:48 pm to
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Federal Reserve Notes are a ponzi scheme.



boom.
Posted by Poodlebrain
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 7:00 pm to
How much did you contribute to the Federal Reserve Note Ponzi scheme? Who got to cash out early?
Posted by brucevilanch
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 7:16 pm to
He's going to say the Treasury.
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 7:44 pm to
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He's going to say the Treasury.

You've obviously not followed MoSleepingGrayTigerBack's posts. (Yes, he is in his second incarnation for screen names.)

What you predicted he would say, he is not clever enough to come up with anything close to that.
Posted by brucevilanch
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 7:58 pm to


I've seen the "federal reserve is ponzi scheme" propaganda on a couple of shady precious metal wholesaler websites.
Posted by Poodlebrain
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 8:16 am to
What is the Treasury? Or should I ask "who is the Treasury?" since I presume the Treasury is acting for someone's personal benefit.
Posted by plex
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Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 9:19 am to
Can anyone explain why the U.S. Treasury debt system is not a "Ponzi scheme". Then we can compare and contrast that to the economics of crypto currency.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 9:23 am to
How is it? answered by how is it not. Compelling stuff. You've swayed me.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 9:32 am to
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You've obviously not followed MoSleepingGrayTigerBack's posts. (Yes, he is in his second incarnation for screen names.)


I was wondering when I'd see him over here
Posted by plex
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 9:34 am to
In all seriousness, neither one fits the classical definition of a Ponzi scheme.

Everyone here saying that a digital public account/unit of exchange is a Ponzi scheme is revealing their fundamental misunderstanding of the term.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 9:38 am to
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Everyone here saying that a digital public account/unit of exchange is a Ponzi scheme is revealing their fundamental misunderstanding of the term.



I don't think anyone here is claiming that it fits the typical ponzi scheme setup, just that it is along those lines of fraud.

Certain individuals mined and are sitting on coins that they had access to prior to anyone else. They are relying on the other sheep to drive the cost up, so that they can cash out. They didn't obtain these coins by the means that everyone else has to.
Posted by htownjeep
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Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 9:48 am to
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Everyone here saying that a digital public account/unit of exchange is a Ponzi scheme is revealing their fundamental misunderstanding of the term.

No, we are not. Noted economist Nouriel Roubini is saying that. Please show us your credentials that trump his.
Posted by plex
Argentina
Member since Nov 2013
111 posts
Posted on 3/11/14 at 10:32 am to
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I don't think anyone here is claiming that it fits the typical ponzi scheme setup, just that it is along those lines of fraud.

Certain individuals mined and are sitting on coins that they had access to prior to anyone else. They are relying on the other sheep to drive the cost up, so that they can cash out. They didn't obtain these coins by the means that everyone else has to.


That's reasonable. I agree with all but the last couple sentences of this.

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No, we are not. Noted economist Nouriel Roubini is saying that. Please show us your credentials that trump his.


First of all, I realize that Roubini has had an illustrious career with many of the world's largest financial institutions. That said, this is a case of him posting content on twitter that the media will carry. He's just trying to drum up media attention.

Additionally, I'm not sure what credentials are required of a person to understand a Ponzi scheme. One of his twitter posts that you're referencing proves that he doesn't understand Ponzi schemes, and the other post is totally irrelevant to the discussion.

Posting from phone. Sorry for the rambling and any autocorrect mistakes.
Posted by htownjeep
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 10:48 am to
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One of his twitter posts that you're referencing proves that he doesn't understand Ponzi schemes

More idiots?
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 10:58 am to
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plex
What was your previous screen name on TigerDroppings?
Posted by Poodlebrain
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 11:10 am to
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I don't think anyone here is claiming that it fits the typical ponzi scheme setup, just that it is along those lines of fraud.
I'm not ready to call Bitcoins a Ponzi scheme. I view Bitcoins as collectible items that have no value except what other collectors are willing to pay for them. As such, the early collectors were motivated to increase the number of collectors to drive up demand and correspondingly the price of Bitcoins. The number of new collectors was increasing very slowly until a criminal element adopted it as a medium of exchange on a semi-organized black market. Transactions on the black market became the predominant use of Bitcoins. The perceived secrecy of Bitcoins created by criminal use and unpopular monetary policies by some governments made Bitcoins attractive to those seeking to avoid the effects of those policies created an even larger pool of collectors.

The fact that the early collectors benefitted from the introduction of the criminal element has caused observers to conclude the early collectors had bad intent. I'm not sure their intent was bad. I believe the introduction of the criminal element was an unintended consequence that was simply their good fortune.

It is sort of ironic that the criminal class that was instrumental to the rise in demand for Bitcoins is also responsible for suppressing demand due to their exploiting unwary collectors.
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